by Felix Quigley

May 22, 2008

News has come out about how far Livni and Olmert have gone in betraying Israel in the setting up of a Palestine Jihadist Jew hating state. And a recent INSS report raises more problems than it solves. A new leadership must be built or Israel will eventually disappear like Yugoslavia.

I am indebted to INSS (Institute for National Security Studies) for a recent analysis which explains something of the far going betrayal of the Israeli ruling class led by Olmert and Livni in their negotiations with the Arabs to creat a Jihadist Palestine State out of Israeli land.

This INSS analysis was published as well in Israpundit. It is important inthat it gives a clear picture of the reactionary moves to create a palestine state which this website is totally opposed to.

At the same time the analysis is deficient and I place my own views in brackets.

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The Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations: What was – and was not – Agreed On

INSS Insight No. 56, May 21, 2008
Benn, Aluf

At the Israeli Presidential Conference “Facing Tomorrow,” Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared that real progress has been made in Israel’s talks with the Palestinian Authority. According to Olmert, “understandings and agreements regarding highly important matters have been achieved, though some issues are still outstanding.”

The talks between Olmert and PA president Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) in tandem with the talks between Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Ahmad Qurei (Abu Ala) are meant to achieve an agreement of principles by the end of 2008, as announced at the Annapolis conference. Olmert is interested in accelerating the time table and completing the formulation of the agreement by the end of the summer, in order to bring it to the Knesset for approval during the winter session.

(What is this “agreement”. It is none other than the creation of a Palestine Jihadist state run by Hamas, a more extreme version of Abbas and Arafat, who themselves were the children of the Nazi Holocaust Butcher Hajj Amin el Husseini)

The agreement is supposed to present the outline for the two-state solution while postponing its implementation for the future, in accordance with the roadmap. At its core will be the future borders between Israel and the Palestinian state and the delineation of security arrangements between the two countries. The question of Jerusalem is to be postponed, and the two sides are still at odds over the issue of the refugees.

Apparently the most important understanding achieved in the talks concerns the status of the settlements in the interim period, from the time the agreement is signed until its implementation. Determining an agreed-upon border in the West Bank will clarify which settlements are headed for future evacuation and the number of evacuees in question. Olmert made clear that once the border is determined, the government will begin procedures for “evacuation and compensation” legislation for residents of the settlements who choose to leave; furthermore, there will be a freeze on construction in the settlements slated for evacuation. In return, Israel will be free to build in the settlement blocs that are to remain within its borders.

(This is a repeat of the Gaza scandal, the great betrayal of the Jews by Sharon, the great stupidity that opened up Israel for massive attack from antisemitas in Gaza. Only with this difference. The Israeli ruling class are planning to kick out hundreds of thousands not a few thousand as in Gaza. THIS HAS GOT MAJOR IMPLICATIONS OF REVOLUTION OR COUNTER REVOLUTION IN ISRAEL)


The disagreement over the border focuses on the land to be annexed by Israel and the compensation in kind to the Palestinians. The Palestinian position during the talks was similar to the proposals presented during the Taba talks and what appears in the Geneva Initiative, whereby Israel would retain some 3.5% of West Bank land. The Palestinian state would receive 2% in land exchanges, and another 1.5% in a Gaza to West Bank crossing. Olmert and Livni suggested that Israel hold on to a larger area of the West Bank, some 8-10%, and that the land exchange formula give extra weight to the crossing between the two Palestinian geographical areas because of its strategic importance to the Palestinians. In the prime minister’s opinion, it is possible to come up with a solution to the border dispute.

(So Olmert on the basis of the above says that it is possible to reach an agreement, on the borders of the Palestine State. Wrong! Wrong way to pose the issue. That is Olmert’s way of using weasel words to pose the treachery. Rather Olmert should have said something like: We the Israeli ruling class are prepared and determined to create a Palestine Jihadist state on the border of Israel, and to proceed through our action to destroy Israel, just as the Gaza withdrawal has as far as living is concerned destroyed Sderot. We are doing this, Olmert should have added, because we are a ruling class which stands in fear of the Jewish masses, of our own people, and we seek to impose a dictatorship over our people. This means doing the business as regards stirring up hatred against religion and religious Jews, and working hand in hand with the US NeoCon movement whether that be Obama or McCain, in order to spread such strife in the Israeli population)


Olmert has also proposed that the agreement refer to the refugee question as well and include a general declaration about principles for a solution, even if the discussion over practical steps is postponed. Apparently the Palestinians are reluctant to concur, and prefer that the agreement cover only the issues of borders and settlements.

(The Palestine Refugees was always an issue about destroying Israel. That is true despite the lies of Israelis like Benny Morris, Tom Segov and the Jewish antisemitas of the other New Historians. It still is. Olmert and the Israeli ruling class will agree with the Islamist enemy in the end)


From Israel’s point of view, the main advantage of formulating the agreement lies in easing international pressures to end the occupation of the West Bank. Through its commitment to a future withdrawal from the vast majority of West Bank territory, to be accompanied by a building freeze in the settlements and a voluntary evacuation by the settlement residents, Israel will be signaling that it does not intend to perpetuate its rule over the Palestinians. The ratification of the agreement in an international forum such as the Security Council would lend authorized approval to the two-state solution and dampen the calls by hostile elements for a one-state solution.

(This is political garbage and this interpretation needs to be fought down the line. The one state solution is proposed by a few cranks and the Fascist so-called Left. It is not even on the horizon. The first step in the destroying of Israel lies in the creation of a Palestine Jihadist state. Reject the above. Nobody is calling for a One State solution)

Implications for Iran

Attaining the agreement will also be seen as a political achievement for outgoing US president George W. Bush.

(Hey, why write this on a Jewish site. Who gives a shit about Bush, McCain or Obama. This is the future of Israel we talk about)

One may assume that in the prime minister’s view, proven progress in the Palestinian arena will make it easier for Bush to take a harsher stance with regard to Iran before the end of his term, perhaps even including a show of force.

(What the .… is a “show of force”. Such garbage!)

The link between the Palestinian question and the Iranian nuclear issue was manifested by the speeches of both leaders in the Knesset, which, in all probability, were discussed in advance between Jerusalem and Washington. Olmert promised that the agreement with the Palestinians would be approved in the Knesset by a wide majority, and Bush said that Iran can never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

(Hey, who gives a shit what these people say in the Knesset. Olmert is a dictatorial capitalist ruler, Bush as seen in Kosovo is a Fascist ruler on the world stage. Disregard what they say)

The weakness of the agreement lies in its being a “shelf” agreement, and its future need to match its conditions to the reality on the ground.

(Wrong, totally wrong. That is the strength of the agreement. That is exactly how Clinton, Blair and Mitchell got the killers of the IRA and the sectarian iditos of the paisley DUP to reach agreement. They got it on the “shelf” first. These F…ers are playing on that again with the lives of 5 million Jews at stake)

It is hard to set up detailed security arrangements when the nature of the future Palestinian regime is still unclear. Israel will also have reason to be concerned if it achieves an agreement with Palestinian moderates but will have to implement it while a Hamas government is in power.

If an agreement is reached, the political challenge before Olmert will not be simple. He will have to recruit the Shas faction, as well as Knesset members from the right wing of Kadima who might well oppose an agreement with the Palestinians and an evacuation-compensation law. Without their support, there is no “large majority” in the Knesset to approve the agreement.

The main arguments Olmert will present in favor of the agreement are that it conforms to the basic principles of the government; that its implementation is postponed and conditional upon the Palestinians making a change in the conditions on the ground; that it contains the security arrangements vital to Israel; that it postpones dealing with the issue of Jerusalem; that it allows unrestricted construction in the settlement blocs to be annexed to Israel, and that its signing will guarantee Israel unprecedented backing and support from the international community. It is safe to assume that selling the agreement will also be helped by declarations of friendship by President Bush, which will be reinforced with promises to upgrade the relations between the United States and Israel.

The coming weeks will be decisive, and by the end of the summer it will be clear whether an agreement has been reached or if the Annapolis process will join the list of the failures that preceded it.

(All of the above is reactionary rubbish. Just remember, there is no totally imposible situation for  the Israeli capitalist class. They hold the power in their hands, the power of the state. The Media, not mentioned above, is part of that. This analysis by the group INSS while it gives us useful information on these talks going on behind our backs nevertheless is totally inadequate as I think I have made plain)


Time is running out for Israel. Or in other words Israel is being stitched up by US and EU Imperialism and a thoroughly corrupt Israeli ruling class, led at the moment by Olmert and Livni. But as the next article we print will show Netanyahu would be no better because he was prepared to hand over almost all of the Golan to Syria, yes THAT Syria which just weeks ago was planning to blow Israel away into small pieces with its planned N Korean Nuclear Bomb.

A United Front must be created in Israel and the Diaspora which can discuss and plan the way forward.

Either a new leadership will be built in Israel or Israel will inevitably be defeated.


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