The following is a quote from an article by Barry Rubin. The article deals with the bind that Israel is in as it faces rather major challenges, such as how to avoid having say 4 millions of its peoples knocked out by the mad Mullahs of Iran and their special toy, the Nuclear Bomb:

“And we believe that there is a way to make sure that the people of Gaza are able to prosper economically, while Israel is able to maintain its legitimate security needs in not allowing missiles and weapons to get to Hamas.”

Really? How the hell are you going to do that? Read the latest speech by Hamas’s leader and wonder what possible conception of Hamas Obama might have. Doesn’t he realize that if Gaza prospers Hamas is strongly entrenched in power and has plenty of assets to pursue war with Israel, which then destroys any prosperity.

Oh, I’m just being coy. I know what Obama thinks: The people prosper, the middle class gets stronger, the masses demand moderation and Hamas’s downfall. This is a view of revolutionary Islamism and the workings of dictatorships that boggles the mind. It is the mindless idea that prosperity brings peace and moderation, and that a regime ready to torture, murder, and indoctrinate people will be easily removed.

There is the possibility of the U.S. government and other Western countries subverting Israel’s position by engaging Hamas (as Russia did lately) but that line can probably be held for the next few years at least. Various Western media and activist groups can try to keep up the notion that the Gaza Strip is a hell on earth (because of Israel) and people are starving. There will be no truth to this, of course, but there was no truth to it before and that didn’t stop them. But their task will be harder.

Obama praised Netanyahu just as much on the “peace process.” The president said: “I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu wants peace. I think he’s willing to take risks for peace.” Remember that quote when Obama turns on Netanyahu again after the November elections. As for risks, we’ve had enough of those, thank you very much.

But Netanyahu’s goal was to make Obama happy with the minimum of risk. Israel will extend its building freeze on the West Bank and east Jerusalem in exchange for an Obama Administration commitment to endorse its predecessor’s acceptance of Israel retaining “settlement blocs” as part of any peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Rubin is certainly no revolutionary and above all he is no revolutionary socialist, which is the philosophy of this blog.

But Rubin is a Jewish patriot. he has the best interests of Israel at heart.

Michael Collins was no socialist revolutionary but in the post treaty situation you could say he also had the interests of Ireland at heart.

Let me take it from another angle. There are many blogs in America, there is ZStreet, there is Atlas Shrugs and Jihad watch, a slightly different tangent.

But there is no revolutionary socialist party to challenge Obama or say Palin if in power, and fight for Jewish success in Palestine

Note that is not a dig at Palin. I support Palin if she supports Israel, the Jews, and supports the Serbs against the Jihad also

But why do a song and a dance over Palin, as does Ted, when every other Republican President as well as the dross of Clinton and Carter…they all betrayed the Jews big time.

Yamit82 on Israpundit like the Cock of the North (Negev) can shout his hatred for Netanyahu.

But just look at the situation that the Jews are being driven into, the hostility from this Chomsky and herman Fascist “Left”, the hatred from the British gutter Daily Mail press, the BBC fascist antisemites.

It is as bad as the 1930s almost, but not quite. Not quite means that we still have some time. it is not yet post 1933.

There is still time but the thing that it requires is THE REVOLUTIONARY PARTY, THE TROTSKYIST PARTY.

Tell me how this is going to be resolved without that

The policy then of this trotskyist leadership


No 1…Israel must not delay, it must strike at the Iranian bomb and I am afraid and unfortunately it has to strike alone

No 2…Israel must throw all its weight and influence behind the Kurds

No 3…make a formal break with US Imperialism


That does not mean breaking with America though, in fact the opposite.

We Trotskyist encourage all links with the organizations of the people, for example with CUFI, and while we are atheists and they are religious, what joins us is defence of the Jews and Israel




Best report of the attacks on the EDL Atlas Shrugs. best report of the Jewish section of the EDL is Jihadwatch

These are 2 of the excellent comments on the excellent Jihadwatch

Tommo | July 19, 2010 2:59 AM | Reply

The true account of what happened in Dudley is revealed at Atlas Shrugs and not reported in any mainstream British newspaper or TV news. This horrific account of how a handful of EDL members were deliberately lead into confrontation with 300 screaming Muslim yobs by the police who then stood back and refused to intervene even when hand to hand skirmishes were taking place in front of them. The EDL protesters were only saved from certain injury or death by EDL reinforcements, and although outnumbered, charged the Muslim mob who turned and ran.

The British police either have to protect protesters from the mad Islamic hordes or allow us to be armed as in the US. They cannot have it both ways.

George Galloway has just had the rug deftly whipped from under his feet with that move by the EDL. Now, how about another ‘division’: Apostates from Islam. Might become quite sizeable in a little while.


EDL forms Jewish Division

A development much to be applauded. Meanwhile, Pamela Geller has more coverage of yesterday’s events in Dudley, here, here and here.

“EDL Jewish Division Issues First Press Release,” from the EDL, June 29 (thanks to Yuval):

We, the English Defence League Jewish Division, support the British Armed Forces, the IDF and the British people.We are English, we love England, and we are committed to combat racism, fascism, anti-semitism, the biased media, and uninformed politicians.

We are here to fight for all people – Jews in England in particular – against attacks by pro-Islamic, anti-Jewish, anti-Israel media propaganda and lies, relating to Jews, Jewish culture and beliefs, and against blood-libels propagated by the left, Nazis and Muslims.

We are committed to waking up the sleeping Jewish press, e.g: The Jewish Chronicle, to the threat of Muslim attacks on Judaism, Zionism and to Muslim attempts to delegitimise Jews, the Jewish state of Israel and to force, by stealth and overt means, sharia law on England.

Our EDL units have gays, transgender, Black, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and ex-Muslims (apostates) members. We are professionals of ALL classes!

We are the only organisation in the UK that demonstrates against Muslim violence and discrimination against women, such as forced marriages, underage marriage, female genital mutilation and honour killings. Not one so-called feminist has spoken out against these terrible things, preferring to collude with male Muslims and respect these appalling acts as “culture”!

Our Facebook page is -by invitation only.

We are also connected to the wonderful English Defence Youth, who have their own website which, we contribute to.

Our fight is worldwide: against Muslim hegemony, polygamy, misogyny, sharia law, the building of any more mosques in the UK, racist attacks on non-Muslims (or kuffar as they call us!), homophobic attacks, Islamic no-go areas for British people, Muslim-only services paid for by the tax-payer, laws just for Muslims.

We repudiate preferential treatment for Islamic hate-speakers, terrorists and groups/organizations like IFE, Muslims against Crusaders, who, apart from being sponsored by terrorist organizations, proselytise against our armed forces and against the freedoms that the generations of English people have fought for!

This struggle is everyone’s struggle, and remaining silent is no longer an option.

No Surrender!

English Defence League Jewish Division

Morrigan Emmaleth

Cassandra Victoria


Pamela Geller on the excellent Atlas Shrugs has the best report on Saturday of the attack on the English Defence League by Left Fascists SWP, Muslim Fascists and the British Police State forces

We need to study the issue in more detail but the attacks on the EDL by this coalition of reactionaries tell us a lot.

We on 4international, a true Trotskyist movement, are particular opposed to the role of the SWP and other Left fascists, who are in league with Islam

They are dragging the name of socialism into the mud in their alliance with THE STATE AND ISLAM FASCISTS

Saturday, July 17, 2010

Riots in Dudley, Reports of Muslim Gangs Attacking People …………UPDATE: Details are sketchy at the moment, and as is always so in the heat of breaking events, not all that is being reported may turn out to be accurate. 
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The EDL, the standard bearers of freedom in the UK, planned on another peaceful demonstration in Dudley today. They have come under fierce attack. Details are sketchy at the moment. Will update as news breaks. Do not look to the media for accurate reporting. They will report on this the way they report on the tea party: lies, distortions, slander.

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The “Muslim Defense League” had planned to be there. According to EDL media, the EDL is being subjected to assaults by the police. Injuries have been caused and there is rioting in Dudley…gangs of Muslims are attacking people…THE MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING ANY OF THESE EVENTS…

An EDL coach driver has been attacked with a machete…will keep updating .. also please send me any MDL information as you get it.

UPDATE: We have eyewitness accounts coming in of Muslims using cars to drive down English protesters in Dudley. There has been one report of an incident in which a car drove into four people, leaving them seriously injured and one woman dead. An air ambulance has landed to assist the injured. We are waiting for confirmation of this incident.

Six hurt as car hits pedestrians in Dudley BBCSix pedestrians were injured, three seriously, when they were struck by a car in the West Midlands.

The ambulance service was called to the junction of King Street and Stafford Street, Dudley, at 1605 BST.

Three men, aged 42, 37 and 32 suffered head injuries. The 37-year-old also broke his leg.

Three others, including a girl aged 16 whose leg was broken, also needed hospital treatment.

An 18-year-old man suffered a foot injury and a 19-year-old man has a suspected broken leg, the West Midlands Ambulance Service said.

UPDATE: Sky news has reported damage to a Hindu Temple in Dudley.

Here, from the EDL, is an explanation of why they were holding a demonstration:


The Dudley super mosque still looms over the people of Dudley.

The council do not want it, the people of Dudley do not want it, the nation does not want it. They STILL try to force this mosque upon the people over-riding all accepted democratic processes.

The EDL will not leave the… people of Dudley to this fate. When we went there on April 3rd people came out of their houses to applaud us as we passed. People got out of their cars to give us the thumbs up. We have received hundreds of emails thanking us for our help in this matter.

We are proud to stand by the people of Dudley. We will not surrender.

Edl dudley2



That was the intent.
Picture of Israeli flags had to be removed for copyright (see comment section). If anyone has a picture of the EDL waving the Israeli flag, please send it to me
UPDATE: Durotrigan has early video of the EDL demonstration. The police have them tightly penned like animals.

There are two more videos that show:

the main body of the EDL demonstration continued to be confined in this penned area. Numbers are lower than at previous demonstrations, but there were EDL Facebook reports claiming that some coaches full of supporters were being prevented from reaching their destination. As can be seen, there is no sign of violence in any of the videos posted here.


UPFATE 4:43 pm: From Van

“The be all and end all of it is – as agreed by a number of people today – the Police simply didn`t want all the EDL who travelled in Dudley. 3 buses were laid on to ferry people to the demo. The buses went 2 miles or so to the demo point and never came back for the rest. Everyone started to walk, the police blocked everyone. After what seemed ages, most people had made their way to Castle hill and the police were there in force. Nobody was going to pass and they didn`t. Members were assaulted and sent on their way. Small groups were picked off by local Asians [UK speak for Muslims – Atlas]  – police confirmed this. I can`t comment what happened in the demo site as I never made it. But i did witness our coaches being stoned while police looked on, and a mob wandering around Dudley as if they owned the place – they then attacked police. Apologies if I have repeated myself – raging at the moment. “


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Bryan dijo…

What happened to all the “Peaceful and Tolerant”? This is exactly why all Americans need to be awakened to the danger of Islam! As a Christian, I want to open the eyes of unbelievers. As Muslims, they want to open the necks of unbelievers. In the Koran, it says it is ok to lie to unbeliever-tuqiyya. Since that is true, as an unbeliever of Islam, I reserve the right to not believe words from the mouth of a Muslim. Their actions are telling me the true intentions



The following is a piece from 2007, a very reactionary and pro NATO site, that raises many questions and I wish to get to the bottom of this issue. I have my own ideas as to the answer

Let us take the beginning to get a flavour of the material put onto the net in order to reinforce this Srebrenica sham information:

The four former members of Serbia’s paramilitary “Scorpions” force were found guilty after video footage showed they killed at least six people during the massacre of 8,000 Bosniak men and boys.

This video mentioned was a very strange video indeed, as Jared Israel has proved. So the phrase “video footage showed” means nothing. Examine the articles on this by Jared Israel.

You can follow this link

 Part 1 — What I’ll prove and how I’ll prove it.
by Jared Israel
Emperor’s Clothes
[24 June 2005; revised June 1, 2009]
Internet address: 

You can also look at this

which gives some background

Both Jared Israel and Francisco Gil White are gifted with the ability to analyse the lies of what we know of as the Media, which actually is all the lying expression of a modern Imperialist system in terminal decay.

By “terminal” we mean something historical, that once capitalism, when young, did tell truth, in the shape of the great English scientific revolution following hard upon the gigantic English Revolution. That time is long over!

The Srebrenica Hoax is an expression of this huge shift.

This ability (to analyse and expose the lies of the Media) must be a component of building a new leadership although much more must be said on the issue of United Front, strategy and tacts.

The reader who wishes to pursue the latter should make a serious study of almost everything Trotsky wrote on many issues in the 20s and 30s, relating to the United Front, that is the strategy and tactics of fighting against Fascism, especially Spain from an early stage in the Revolution, the British 1926 General Strike, the huge revolutionary events from 1927 on in China, France re the Popular front and much else as the world moved into ever deepening crisis in the 1930s

In the fight against the Srebrenica Hoax 4international has worked with many and still do.  Just look over past articles here.

There is not TOTAL agreement on many issues. But our work has been most successful and 4international in this cooperation has not betrayed a single one of our revolutionary Trotskyist principles. This IS the United Front in action. This IS the basis for the education of a real cadre which can lead in the real world.

In this regard please examine our recent political line in regards to the English Defence League and our reply to the formation of the Jewish section of the EDL, which we welcomed unconditionally, but separated ourselves as Trotskyists from their alliance with the “british Forces”, the same forces which put down the miners strike in 26. There is conflict but the conflict is contained within the unity.

It does not need a lengthy and time consuming reading of this following piece mentioned above to see that it is written by the class enemy and there is no unity here! It is necessary to recognize the class enemy when one sees it.

The piece is by a Derek Barry. Note support for the Muslim savages in Bosnia, support for same in Palestine. It is anti Milosevic and ant Israeli.

The lies about the Balkan events fairly hurtle out of this piece.

Incidentally Mr Barry has chosen as visual a picture of 4 women holding a banner of “Women in Black” and also there is “In grief and solidarity”

For the upteeth millionth time Mr Barry refers to this event “the massacre of 8,000 Bosniak men and boys” as if this was akin to the theory of relativity, everybody accepts it…

This is what I found so maddening in my reading of the Irish Times going back over so many years. All the time this repetition of the massacre as if there was no doubt.

Hence the importance of the work that we have done on this site, to display the research on 1. The numbers (phoney) and 2. The evidence produced re Srebrenica massacre (phoney)

I do not have time to go through this entire article although it has been very instructional to read it in a certain way.

In reading through, sifting the lies which are everywhere, I realize that there is a method to answer the lies (in general) and to ensure that the truth comes out, or will come out in the end.

Key point: First and foremost it needs a body of knowledge to answer these lies. This is the importance of the articles we are assembling on 4international. Not all our articles are perfect but that is the path of knowledge, our knowledge will be refined.

Armed with a body of knowledge our revolutionary cadre will be prepared to answer these lies, and even more important will have cracked the method of the liar, and will be ready in the future for other similar though slightly different lies.

But these lies must be answered. They are part and parcel of the preparation of dictatorship

Trotskyism is both theoretical and practice driven, both verbal and active.

With emphasis on the practical! In the beginning was the deed, not the word, with due respect to St John.

Hence organization, organization, organization! The key issue is to build an organized movement that will be absolutely persistent on this issue. That is the way forward, knowledge and organization, organization and knowledge, but in the overall organization is the primary.

Barry calls his piece Woolly Days

La Dolce Vita Roma

Scorpions jailed for Srebrenica crimes

Serbia’s war crimes court has sentenced four men to twenty years prison for their part in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. The four former members of Serbia’s paramilitary “Scorpions” force were found guilty after video footage showed they killed at least six people during the massacre of 8,000 Bosniak men and boys.

The former commander of the Scorpions unit, Slobodan Medic, and his chief accomplice, Branislav Medic, were each given 20 years in jail. The only defendant to have confessed to the crime, Pera Petrasevic, was given 13 years. A fourth defendant was given five years while a fifth was acquitted. Presiding judge Gordana Petrovic said “Slobodan Medic ordered the three defendants and two others to execute the prisoners, take them away from the site and make it seem as if they had been killed in conflict.” The video that implicated the men showed them taunting Bosnian youths about their virginity before shooting them in the back as they lay in a ditch. Relatives of the victims expressed disappointment that none had received the 40 year maximum sentences.

Srebrenica is Europe’s largest mass murder since World War II. In 2004 the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) judicially recognised the massacre as genocide. Judge Theodor Meron, President of ICTY made a speech later that year at Potocari Memorial Cemetery where many of the victims were buried. In the speech Meron stated it plainly “Bosnian Serb Army harboured genocidal intent against the Bosnian Muslim people who sought safety in the enclave of Srebrenica, and that these officials acted upon that intent to carry out a deliberate and massive massacre of the Muslims in Srebrenica”

While Judge Meron called the massacre genocide, others have labelled it “gendercide”. Gendercide is gender-selective mass killing. Other examples include the 1988 Montreal massacre where 14 women students at the École Polytechnique were systematically killed by a lone gunman screaming “I hate feminists.” In Srebenica, while the international community and UN peacekeepers did nothing; Serb forces separated civilian men from women and killed the menfolk in their thousands.

The conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina began in 1992 and featured large-scale ethnic cleansing and genocidal atrocities from the outset. In April 1992 Serbian forces tortured and killed 350 Bosnian men in a gymnasium in the village of Bratunac near Srebrenica. But they were not able to take Srebrenica itself. The city was defended by Naser Oric, a Rambo-like figure whose troops (and associated squads of civilian torbari, or “bag people”) inflicted a number of smaller atrocities on Serb villages around the Srebrenica pocket. Oric’s forces managed to establish an enclave around the town, but the Serbs gradually tightened the noose.

General Ratko Mladić led the Serbian army during the war. Mladić made it plain that he held a special grudge against the men of Srebrenica. He allowed women and children to be evacuated from the town before shutting off the refugee flow. Desperately, the UN Security Council declared Srebenica a “safe area” but only had 500 Dutch peacekeepers in the town to back up the declaration. Finally in July 1995, Mladić’s army entered the UN safe area. They got little resistance from the disarmed defenders and the UN.

Thousands of Srebrenica men fled the town seeking protection within the UN compound at Potočari. Serbian soldiers surrounded them and began setting houses and haystacks on fire. As the day progressed, Serb forces gathered the refugees and began systematically murdering the men. French policeman Jean-Rene Ruez told The Hague tribunal in 1996 what evidence he collected from witnesses. Serb forces killed and tortured refugees at will while Streets were littered with corpses, he said. Rivers were red with blood and many people committed suicide to avoid having their noses, lips and ears chopped off. At least 8,000 died and 25,000 were forcibly repatriated.

General Mladić remains at large with an outstanding international arrest warrant against him. While many claim he is being protected by the Serbian army, Belgrade newspaper Vecernje Novosti said he was just one step ahead of his pursuers in a “feverish manhunt” by police. In May 2006 the EU broke off membership talks with Serbia and Montenegro over Belgrade’s failure to deliver Mladić to the war crimes tribunal.

Situated in the far east of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Srebrenica was founded as a mining town. The name means “silver mine” in Serbian but nowadays only salt is mined here. Srebenica is now part of an entity known as the Republika Srpska. The Republika is not a true republic but rather a Serb-governed enclave of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The boundary line between it and the Muslim controlled rest of the country runs along the military front lines as they existed at the end of the war.

But now the Muslim community now want to change the boundary. Last week Srebrenica’s municipal assembly adopted a resolution demanding partition from the Republic of Srpska. Serb members left the session ahead of the vote in protest saying the assembly had no mandate to violate the Constitutional order of the Republic of Srpska and breach the Dayton Agreement. But Rizo Tabaković from the Party of the Democratic Action that sponsored the resolution, said that “the partition request was a logical move in light of the ICJ judgment, while mirroring Srebrenica’s current status.”

While politicians still argue about the boundary, others mourn the massacre. Some are sufferers of the syndrome known as “Survivors’ Guilt” which was first identified after the Holocaust. Emir Suljagic was a Bosniak teenager when the war began. He was a translator for the UN in Srebenica when captured by General Mladić’s men. Mladić took Suljagic’s ID card during questioning. Suljagic had the courage to ask for his ID back; Mladic agreed and his life was saved. While he survived, others were not so lucky. Nura Alispahic saw her 16-year-old son being killed in the court video. “Whatever the ruling, my child is not here,” she said “These people will leave jail one day, but my child will never come out of the ground.”

Posted by Derek Barry  (on the above site) 

Note from 4international—We have no idea who they are.

To understand who were the Scorpions it is necessary to understand all about Erdemovic and the activity of CIA, British and French Intelligence operatives

It is necessary I will remind the reader to begin reading on

In a story datelined June 2, (a day after The Hague screening) The Washington Post reported:

“The video begins with a Serb Orthodox priest blessing the camouflaged paramilitary troops in a boot camp in Bosnia…The video was shot by a member of the Scorpions.” [1]

But, as you will see when you study the footage [2], there is no way of knowing where this first sequence was filmed or the identity of the people who appear in it or of the person or persons who did the filming.  The Post neglects to mention this fact.




Ever heard of the supergrasses in the north of Ireland. There was a time when they were popping up all over the province.

From the north to the ICTY court in The Hague is no more than a step and a hop.

Same EU culture; same police and court prosecution culture.

Did they learn from each other? You´re damned right they learned – they copied!

So…At the beginning of March, 1996 the Bosnian Croatian Dražen Erdemović is arrested in Yugoslavia.

He confesses!!!

to have been involved on the 16th July, 1995 as a member of a special unit of the Bosnian-Serbian army

in the shooting of 1200 Moslem civilians from Srebrenica.

That is HIS story you will understand

That is Understand that a supergrass will tell you things that happened and things that didn’t happen!

(Famous Irish singer Christy Moore, song on Rose of Tralee)

At the end of March, 1996 he is delivered by Belgrade to the Yugoslavia tribunal in The Hague where he repeats his confession.

Besides, Erdemović every time calls the names of his six accomplices and his superiors, alleging that the general staff of the Bosnian-Serbian army would have ordered the action.

Erdemović becomes the principal witness for the prosecution for one of the worst war crimes, the mass execution of Srebrenica.

For the murder of 70 to 100 civilians whose shooting he himself is alleged to have carried out, Dražen Erdemović is condemned to only five years of prison.

Since 2000 he lives with a new, “protected” identity in a West European country and appears regularly before the tribunal in cases where the accusation of the genocide has been raised.

How plausible is, nevertheless, the confession of this principal witness?

Already after the first superficial reading it shows the serious contradictions which no judge would accept in a normal penal procedure.

However, this is the confession upon which the Yugoslavia tribunal based the international arrest warrant against the commander of the Bosnian-Serbian army, Ratko Mladić, and the president of the Bosnian Serb Republic, Radovan Karadžić.

To make the matter all the more astonishing, not a single accomplice or superior named by Erdemović has been arrested up to now.

Why is it that the Yugoslavia tribunal, which has called the Srebrenica murders an act of genocide, refuses to know anything about other potential culprits?

What can be the reason for the refusal to put on the stand the accomplices and superiors of the principal witness, Erdemović? Does the tribunal perhaps not want to pursue those that Erdemović named as culprits because they could tell something about the Srebrenica murders what should be kept from the general public?

With this book, Civikov broaches maybe the hottest subject of European post-war history. The investigation of the mass murders of Srebrenica, meticulous researched, reads like a criminal novel.

Step by step, he demonstrates how the tribunal has managed to define presumably the most brutal crime in Europe after 1945 based on the problematic testimony of a single principal witness.

After the reading of this book, the credibility of the Yugoslavia tribunal is shaken to the core.

The author:
Journalist and literature specialist, Germinal Civikov was born in 1945 in Russe (Bulgaria) and lives since 1975 in the Hague (Netherlands). He was active for many years as an editor for the ” Deutsche Welle“ programme in Cologne.
He also authored Milosevic—trial of the century [2006].


Some of the information gained from a review of the Germina Civikov book on Amazon


“Srebrenica genocide is not a matter of anybody’s opinion; it’s a judicial fact recognized first by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and subsequently by the International Court of Justice.”

So proclaims the masthead of the “Srebrenica Genocide Blog,” an activist site dedicated to promoting not just the official version of the events at Srebrenica, but also engaging in shameless propaganda trying to present the Serbs as accomplices in the Holocaust and even asserting a “joint experience of persecution” between the Muslims and the Jews.

However, as British commentator John Laughland pointed out recently, all of the Bosnian Muslims claims of genocide, filling hundreds of pages submitted to the ICJ since 1993, were rejected by the court in its March 2007 verdict. Only Srebrenica was accepted – and even then, only because the ICJ chose to accept two verdicts of the ICTY as a priori valid.

Asks Laughland:

“[W]hat is the evidence for the finding that genocide was committed at Srebrenica? I am not asking this question in the useful sense in which it has been asked (and answered) by investigators such as Jonathan Rooper. I am asking what evidence was submitted in court at the ICTY in support of this uniquely successful claim.”

As it turns out, the ICTY’s entire case on Srebrenica rests on the testimony of one man. This crucial witness, Drazen Erdemovic, is the topic of a new book by one of the Hague observers. Germinal Civikov, a native of Bulgaria who has lived in The Hague since 1975, is a former editor for Deutsche Welle and author of a 2006 book about the Milosevic trial. In Srebrenica: Der Kronzeuge (“Srebrenica: The Crown Witness”), he takes a long, hard look at Erdemovic, with results Laughland describes as “devastating.”

This post is all about:

“Pathological Liar and Callous Murderer”

It refers to the use of what is really an “agent provocateur”, a very disputed character, who has become the main witness of the Prosecution of the kangaroo court itself. His name is Erdemovic… Continue reading


A reader called Mick Tanzer sent this information to 4international

I have found this item below which I hope you will find intriguing and informative. It concerns how in Srebrenica, Naser Oric – the Islamofascist commander who took orders from Izetbegovic in Sarajevo -, was busy conducting a policy of RAPING HIS OWN MUSLIM TEENAGE GIRLS in the town!!

Imagine this: the Muslim girls were so sick of being raped that they decided to flee from such barbarity. Have a guess where these Muslim girls ran to for help – no not NATO troops serving in the US – but to the BOSNIAN SERBS who the lying media were claiming were supposedly “mass rapists” and “besieging” Srebrenica!


This is an article that appeared in the Scottish newspaper, “The Scotsman”, in 1994. I have also taken the liberty of providing you with a link to Peter Robert North’s comments on the Scotsman article which also appeared on Neil Craig’s site:

Here is the Scotsman article with an introduction by Peter Makara of Emperor’s Clothes fame:

Srebrenica sex slaves

Some people who belonged to this so-called [Oric] mafia also had nasty practices in other areas. Some ABiH [Bosnian Muslim Army] heavyweights, such as Oric himself, used the prestige and power they enjoyed among a large part of the population to get young girls, often no older than 14 or 15 years old, to provide sexual services. They often had a number of brief relationships with girlfriends, whilst their wives were outside the enclave. There was a lot of prostitution and sexual abuse. From the moment the Canadian battalion arrived, reports came in of girls offering themselves to Canadian soldiers or being offered by their fathers or brothers in exchange for food, cigarettes and the like. Later, during the Dutchbat period, Oric’s own soldiers appeared to be their most important clients.

The above quote is from:
Dutch Government Report
Chapter 7: “Dutchbat in the enclave – the local perspective”



Escaping rape in Srebrenica


The Scotsman
16 April 1994

Published under title:
“Fear and Loathing in Srebrenica”


For fair use only
Published under the provision of
U.S. Code, Title 17, section 107.

NOTE: The subtitles are ours.


Escape to the Serbian side
This is the story of a girl who was raped in the midst of a civil war, not by her enemies, but by men who claimed to protect her.

The brutality and horror of the conflict in Bosnia and Herzegovina has been measured over the last two bloodstained years, less by death and wounds, but by rape. Almost from the first fighting, rape – actual, threatened and rumoured – became a tool of terror and control. Now, in the chaos and lawlessness of the Muslim enclaves in southern Bosnia, a new pattern of the same crime is emerging.

Only a few survivors have yet been able to testify to these latest events. One of them is Vehida Dedic. Raped and beaten by a gang of men led by the Bosnian Muslim commander of Srebrenica, Naser Oric, she was left with no-one to turn to in her own town. For her, crossing the lines into the hands of an army which was shelling the people around her, was the only means of escape.


Safe among the Serbs

A rotund, gentle, elderly man, a lawyer from Belgrade, sits in the cramped, dusty office of a disused factory in the Bosnian Serb town of Bratunac. Opposite him is a tall, thick-set young Serb soldier, toying with a handgun, slumped in a chair. A diminutive 15 year-old girl enters and the two men stiffen. They each know why she is here.

The soldier is the girl’s temporary warder. She is, after all, an object of some curiosity in Bratunac [a Serbian town next to Srebrenica]: an infiltrator from across the nearby front-line. The lawyer is here to take a statement for Yugoslavia’s own War Crimes Tribunal. Vehida Dedic, visibly in pain and with one side of her face swollen by toothache, tells her story.

“I was desperate. I realised that I couldn’t live there any more … I was thinking of committing suicide.” As fighting spread across Bosnia and Herzegovina, Vehida and her family had fled from their village of Pobudje to the nearby Muslim enclave of Srebrenica. Vehida, initially in makeshift refugee accommodation, had recently found space – although no protection – in a house in the centre of Srebrenica. It was there that she met the town’s commander.

Muslim commander’s bordello

“Two months ago, I moved to that house. I lived there until the first of April. Every second evening or so, Naser Oric used to come, usually with a different woman. He was always followed into the house by three Muslim soldiers.”

“On the 27th of March, they came again. I made coffee, as the housekeeper told me to. Then the three soldiers ordered me to another room. I knew their names: Safet, Serd and Ibro, [all Muslim names] boys of 20 years, all three from the village of Glogove. When I entered the room, the soldiers told me to strip off, lie down on the bed and have sex with them. I started protesting. I tried to free myself. At one point, I tried to jump through the window; this was upstairs. Safet caught me and started to beat me on the face and body. Then all three started to beat me and take off my clothes. That’s how they stripped me naked. Safet was the first to rape me. After that, Serd and Ibro raped me as well.”

Vehida’s quiet, measured voice continues, weakened only by her swollen mouth. She holds back tears and stares into the lawyer’s eyes. She remains outwardly calm. “By the end, I was unconscious. I came round before dawn. I realised that I was alone and naked, and the door of the room was open. The rape started around eight in the evening. I don’t know when they left the room.”

“At first, I couldn’t stand up. Then I dressed, and went to find the housekeeper. When I found her I told her what had happened, but she just laughed at me. In the morning, Commander Oric came back, so I told him what his comrades had done to me. He hit me and swore at me.”

Vehida Dedic’s only culpability had been to trust those around her. Now, she was to be victimised by all. “I went to the Muslim police, to complain to them. But when I told them what happened, they shouted ‘Get out of here!’ and threw me out of the police station. ‘You have complained to Naser’, they said ‘If he didn’t help you, nobody can!’”

Human shield for terrorists

Naser Oric, the 24 year-old army commander of Srebrenica, first came to prominence in March, 1993. At that time, the charismatic UNPROFOR General, Philippe Morillon, demanded that – if the town was to become a so-called “safe area” – then Naser Oric must hand over his weapons to the Canadian UNPROFOR troops. Oric dismissed the demand and halted the evacuation of the town’s women and children. Faced with angry demonstrations as the townsfolk stampeded on to UN trucks, the Muslim commander said that he would “screw up those convoys”, preferring to maintain a human shield of 9,000 civilians for Srebrenica’s 8,000 fighters.

Once she had been publicly victimised, Vehida Dedic had no future in Srebrenica. But she had the idea to escape, inspired by two other rape survivors, from a chance encounter: “I met two girls who had been in Bratunac and wanted to get back to Srebrenica, in a prisoner exchange. Their nicknames were Ceca and Buba. They came from the village of Tegere. They told me that they were okay in Bratunac, but when they came back to Srebrenica they had both been raped. When they complained to the police like I did, the police told them to go to Naser.”

The U.N. treats civilians – as hostages!

Vehida persuaded a girlfriend, Serifa, [also a muslim] to come with her on the five mile walk across the front-line, to Bratunac. But by this time – under Naser Oric’s instructions, and with the active compliance of the UN – Srebrenica had effectively become a prison. The walk was almost suicidal. “The only way out was down the main road from Srebrenica to [the Serb held] Bratunac. If we went into the hills, someone could have shot us. There were Muslim positions there. We could have found some Muslim soldiers who could have killed us. So we went down the street.”

“Myself and Serifa walked out from Srebrenica. But, when we came to the UN guards, they prevented us from going on and told us that they would shoot at us. They were very short with us. They ordered us to go back to Srebrenica … but we didn’t want to go.”

Rescued from a minefield

“So the two of us agreed to bypass the UN guards. We crossed a stream about five kilometres from their post and went on our way to Serbian territory … where the Serbian soldiers were posted. At about half past twelve we reached their positions. A Serb soldier saw us and beckoned. Then we saw that we were in the middle of a minefield. We asked the soldier to come and take us out … so that we didn’t step on a mine. He came and took us to the Serb guns. The Serb soldiers gave us food. Then they took us to Bratunac by car. Sarifa was taken to hospital, she was pregnant.”

The lawyer completes his notes. The statement is concluded. But now, what will happen to Vehida? What can be done for someone so totally dispossessed? “In no way would I ever go back to Srebrenica … I want, if I can, to stay here and live in Bratunac. But if they won’t let me, I’ll go on, to Valjevo, to see my grandmother … she’s called Dessa Mehmedovic.” But no-one knew if Dessa Mehmedovic was still alive.

Here is P.R.North’s comment on the above Scotsman article:

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Thanks for the Scotsman article from 1994, ‘anonymous’. Excellent article. Even I was not aware of this Bosnian muslim girl’s account of being raped by Naser Oric’s troops. So here we have a Bosnian muslim girl running AWAY from Izetbegovic’s so-called muslim “heroes” and “defenders” of Srebrenica after being gang-raped by them.

According to the Guardian/ITN/BBC portrayal of the Serbs around Srebrenica as being “systematic mass rapists” and “genocidal mass murderers”, the LAST THING in the world any sane muslim Bosnian girl would do would be to run TOWARDS the Serbs after being raped!!

And yet here in your ‘Scotsman’ post we have a harrowing account of a muslim girl being gang raped by her FELLOW MUSLIMS and having reported it to the Bosnian muslim police in Srebrenica – who showed their “understanding” and “sympathy” by yelling at her and throwing her out of the police station – so she had no choice but to seek refuge and safety with the Bosnian SERBS!!

The above also helps us to understand why the so-called muslim “defenders” of Srebrenica – headed by Islamist “warlord” and self-confessed mass murderer of Serbian civilians, Mr. Naser Oric himself – ABONDONED their women and children in Izetbegovic’s orchestrated “fall” of the town and left them to fend for themselves, being totally at the mercy of Ratko Mladic and the Bosnian Serb VRS army. So what did the Serbs under Mladic do? Did the Serbs do what Naser Oric and his band of Islamist Nazi thugs did to the Serbs for 3 years around Srebrenica?

Did the Serbs do what Izetbegovic’s people and the Guardian/ITN/BBC corrupt, racist, lying media whores kept telling the world over and over they were capable of and supposedly doing to the muslims since the war broke out in April 1992: i.e., commit “mass rape”, cut the throats of, behead and burn, the muslim women and children?

NO!!! Instead unlike Naser Oric’s murderous treatment of the Serbs in and around Srebrenica for the previous THREE YEARS, the Bosnian Serb army under Mladic ORGANIZED BUSES FOR THE SAFE EVACUATION of the muslim women and children!!

The corrupt media whores at CNN/BBC/ITN and the Guardian referred to this humane treatment -the safe passage of muslim women and children out of harms way – as “ethnic cleansing” (?!)

Go figure.

What the corrupt, racist media whores also fail to tell us is that 35,632 +5,000 troops the Izetbegovic Islamists actually ADMITTED made it safely to Tuzla, plus 8,000 supposedly “executed” = 48,632 people. The July 1995 population [i.e BEFORE the enclave “fell” to the Bosnian Serbs] was 40,000 according to the United Nations OWN figures!!

Nobody, not even the Izetbegovic Islamists or their supporters like Mr. Fraser, can seriously claim with a straight face that Srebrenica had a July 1995 population figure of 48,632 people before it fell.

Even the notoriously anti-Serbian, anti-Yugoslav NATO-owned Hague ICTY claimed that Srebrenica had a population figure actually even LOWER than the 40,000 cited by the UN [they claim only 37,000!!]

Since there were 35,632 civilian survivors registered by the UN AFTER the enclave fell, +5,000 troops admitted by the Izetbegovic faction to have made it safely through Izetbegovic’s muslim lines to Tuzla, then if we add 8,000 to that we get 48,632.

This is way, way over the accepted population figures of both the Hague ICTY of 37,000 people or the UN’s own figure of 40,000 people at the time the events occurred.

There is no way in hell – even according to the UN’s and the NATO owned ICTY’s own figures that the population of Srebrenica was 48,632 people in July 1995 prior to the Izetbegovic orchestrated “fall” to the Bosnian Serb VRS army.

See the documented evidence cited in the International Strategic Studies Association’s report “Defense & Foreign Affairs Special Analysis”
Volume XXIII, No. 62,Friday, June 17, 2005

PS: From the contents of your post it’s quite clear you are NOT the same “anonymous” as Mr. Fraser who regularly posts his pro-Islamist Nazi (i.e., Guardian/ITN/BBC) trash here. Mr. Fraser calls anyone who exposes the Guardian/ITN lies concerning Trnopolje/Omarska and Srebrenica as being “pro-Serb” or “Serbophiles” spreading “mendacious trash” so I thought I’d return the favour and refer to Mr. Fraser and his friends as pro-Islamist Nazi racists).
# posted by Peter Robert North : July 27, 2006