THE SERB PEOPLE MUST FIGHT TO DEFEND GADHAFI AGAINST NATO…SURELY!

March 31 2011

Cameron and Hague made their offer for Gadhafi to flee “in safety” even as the rabble army was sent scurrying down the road even one more time, introducing an air of farce to the BBC reports. Now you see the rabble army, now you only see their backsides as they scurry down the road

 

These Eton type British rulers are really bullies. They have perfected the method of using UN Resolutions, actually the resolutions of a reactionary and deeply antisemitic entity. The Court in The Hague is also part of their armoury

 

We and many others have shown that the rebel army is really a rabble on the one hand and the army of Islam on the other

 

But Islam is a decrepit force today. It has learned to murder as in 9-11 and in a thousand other places such as Madrid and London

 

But look! Who are those in the front of assisting the Jihad in Libya against Gadhafi. It is Britain which experienced the horror of the tube and bus bombings, and Madrid who experienced the train bombings

 

In other words Islam today is not fighting its battles openly but rather has learned to work through fronts, and these capitalist governments and capitalists come to help the Jihad

 

So these government leaders like Obama and Cameron are doing just that.

 

It is more than governments. There is the example of the Mayor of New York, Bloomberg who has emerged as the main ally of the Jihad in New York, the intention to build a Mosque on Ground Zero

 

Debkafile has consistently got this Libya issue wrong. It is true that Obama and co face difficulty.

 

The main difficulty they face is in fact that the Libyans are a warrior people, and that they do not wish to be subdued by the Jihad

 

When it is a fair and square fight between Gadhafi and his enemies, including his enemies the Islamists, in Libya then it is a no contest

 

This is seen in that Gadhafi had his opposition totally routed and when about to conquer all the UN and EU passed their infamous Resolution, then followed the destruction from the air by these superior NATO power of the Gaddafi tanks.

 

So it is not a fight between an Arab Government – Gadhafi – and his opposition in Libya

 

It is a fight in which NATO and the EU are totally involved against Gadhafi

 

But these are the very forces – NATO. The EU, Britain, America – which were responsible for crushing the Serbs

Where precisely are these Serb leaders and blogs today in the defence of Libya and Gadhafi against NATO, the EU, the Hague Kanaroo Court, US Imperialism, Britain and France?

I for one really want to know!

https://4international.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/victory-to-gadafi-down-with-obama-and-sharia/

OBAMA SENDS COVERT TROOPS INTO LIBYA, MURDERERS OF CIA, AND MOVES TOWARDS DICTATORSHIP, RULING NOW WITHOUT CONGRESS

March 31 2011

““The West seems to be convinced that the revolution was led by secular democratic forces,” says Mahmoud. “Now that myth is shattered. Which means that either the old order”—by which he means the military regime—”stays in power, or we’re headed for Islamist dominance.”

VITAL ISSUES OVER OBAMA AS PRESIDENT

 

The quote is from an article by Bret Stephens of WSJ

 

It is a rambling article taking a long time to get to the point. The point really is that Egypt is heading fast towards a state which is totally Islamist, is based on Sharia Law, and where the Army of that state will be a combination of Muslim Brotherhood and Army top brass. It is a total reversal of the relative secularism of the past under Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak

 

But that is still not the MAIN point which of course Stephens never gets to, nor will he

 

The main point is that there is emerging very rapidly in America and in all countries of Europe a dictatorship which takes the form of a dictatorship in the Foreign Affairs Ministry

 

The centre of this new change IN THE WORLD AT LARGE is Obama

 

Obama operates the affairs of America as a petty dictator and he is supported in this not only by the Democratic Party, but also by the Republican Party, and included in this is the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, because Palin has given Obama the cover he needed in both Egypt and above all in Libya

 

THIS IS MADE SO CLEAR YESTERDAY WHEN OBAMA ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS SENDING IN/HAS SENT IN COVERT TROOPS INTO LIBYA

 

NOTE ALL AMERICAN PATRIOTS, OBAMA DID NOT CONSULT CONGRESS ABOUT THE WAR, AND DID NOT CONSULT CONGRESS ABOUT HIS LATEST MOVE TO DICTATORSHIP

 

Obama has thus reduced Congress down to an irrelevancy

 

It is proving to be a fact when it comes to making war Bush was a minor figure. It is Obama who does so (make war abroad) as a dictator. Bush was always careful to bring Congress with him, Obama just rules and makes war on his own.

 

And that is the major danger that Americans are facing.

 

There is a dictator now in power in the White House, a populist dictator like Hitler, and things on this score will only get worse, as the American economy goes deeper into crisis.

 

They are pushed forward to destroy Gadhafi and in that way both set an example for others and to build up on this Empire Sharia Alliance

 

To see this move to dictatorship you just have to look at Britain first, Spain second

 

In Britain all MPs voted for war on Libya with a few exceptions

 

In Spain all (EXCEPT 3) voted for war on Libya

 

This really is total dictatorship which is operating with the cover of very corrupt capitalist politicians

 

I can illustrate this by making 2 points

 

  1. In Spain the air is filled every minute of every day by stories of corruption
  2. In England or Britain Cameron seems to be doing what he likes, saying that the Resolution allows British troops on the ground which is A TOTAL LIE

 

These are corrupt countries of the capitalist system

 

A poor English mother spoke at an EDL demo last weekend, the mother of Charlene Downes, in the case of her daughter that very same CHARLENE DOWNES being murdered and fed through a food processor to end up as meat for kebabs.

 

The Times reported that there was evidence against Muslims that they did this

 

The sickness of Britain is that the Police dropped the case

 

https://4international.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/statement-by-edl-on-charlene-downes/

 

 

 

 

VICTORY TO GADAFI! DOWN WITH OBAMA AND SHARIA!

March 30 2011

 

A number of things may now be dawning on a growing number of people in Britain:

 

  1. Cameron from a selfish upper class British background may not understand the desert fighters in the Gadhafi movement. His son said “We are Libyans. We are born here. We live here. We die here. This is our country
  2. Hence this selfish upper class twat may not understand the courage of the Gadhafi and Libyan patriots
  3. It is becoming clear that the rebel army is a rabble army and they depend on Imperialism to incinerate the Gadhafi patriots for them to win any “battle”
  4. Britain is broke, as is France. The plane power is supplied only by America which is also broke, hence the growing opposition to Obama, and why Obama lies that he is not in control in Libya. The Americans are!
  5. Hence Cameron and Haif made their offer for Gadhafi to flee “in safety” even as the rabble army was sent scurrying down the road even one more time, introducing an air of farce to the BBC reports. Now you see the rabble army, now you only see their backsides as they scurry down the road
  6. Thus not only do Cameron and co insult the desert honour of the Libyans of Gadhafi, they are in no position to offer anything. Cameron faces a stark choice which is between bombing Tripoli to a dustbowl murdering hundreds of thousands from 20,000 up in the air. Or send his squaddies in and if he does so many will come out in body bags. Keep in mind a million Brits were on the streets of London last Saturday against the cuts of Cameron. Who is desperate!!!???

 

It sure as hell is not Gadhafi who as a proud desert Libyan warrior is prepared to die fighting.

 

The floppy pink skinned Cameron, almost effeminate, would not be able to understand

OBAMA SPEECHH ON LIBYA IS INTERNATIONAL TERROR BY EMPIRE SHARIA ALLIANCE

March 29 2011

LIBYA IS INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM BY US AND BRITAIN

 

(FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES DEBKA ANALYSIS OF OBAMA SPEEC)

In his Libya address to Americans early Tuesday, March 29, President Barack Obama failed to resolve the inner contradictions in his strategy for US involvement in the Western campaign against Muammar Qaddafi:

“The United States would work with its allies to hasten the day when Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi leaves power, but would not use force to topple him,” he said, indicating that US allies France and Britain and Libyan rebels would be in the forefront of the mission for ousting the Libyan ruler.

Shortly before the Obama speech, French and British leaders, President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron, declared that Muammar Qaddafi “must go now.”

This was exactly the language the US president used to topple Hosni Mubarak as Egyptian President but has avoided in reference to the Libyan ruler or Syrian President Bashar Assad, although the latter has ordered soldiers to shoot to kill hundreds of civilian demonstrators – and continues to do so.

Obama did not refer explicitly to US military support for Libyan rebels – except to promise “to help the opposition” while at the same time insisting “the US would play more of a supporting role.”

Yet at the Pentagon US Navy Vice Adm. William Gortney, staff director to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Monday that the rebels are not well organized. (This is a tactful understatement given their chaotic makeup)  “Clearly they’re achieving a benefit from the actions that we’re taking,” and “They are not a very robust organization. So any gain that they make is tenuous…”

He was not just referring to intelligence and logistical support but rather

to low-flying US Air Force AC-130 and A-10 attack aircraft which were used to pin down Qaddafi’s loyalist forces and clear the way for the rebels to sweep back to the eastern cities they lost, Adjabiya, Brega and Ras Lanuf where fighting is still raging.

And Army Gen. Carter Ham, commander of the Libya mission told the New York Times: “The regime possesses the capability to roll them (the rebels) back very quickly. Coalition air power is the major reason that has not happened.”
He added that only very small numbers of Qaddafi’s troops have defected to the opposition.
debkafile’s military sources: The only way to “help the opposition” in its campaign against Qaddafi is to transform a pack of squabbling dissidents into military-capable units with proper training and arms, a feat requiring a substantial US military presence on Libyan soil and time – as Washington has discovered painfully in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The transition of the US command to NATO welcomed by President Obama was likewise a play on words given the pre-eminent role America plays in the Northern Alliance in terms of command, capabilities and budget.

Qaddafi is fully capable of retaliating against the coalition campaign with terrorist strikes in other parts of the Middle East and in Europe. Therefore, the only way to stop the Libyan war may turn out to be its ruler’s demise, a goal clearly aimed at by British and French bombardments since Saturday night, March 26 but excluded from UN Security Council Resolution of March 19.

Having failed to achieve that goal, British and French leaders have called more than 40 foreign ministers and regional group representatives together in London for Tuesday, March 29, to find ways of intensifying the pressure on him to step down. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will attend as well  as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

Military sources in London report that the UK lacks the air crews for strikes against Qaddafi’s forces and has therefore withdrawn instructors from RAF training courses and assigned them to operational duties.

Back here to debkafile’s earlier report of March 29.

Despite protestations to the contrary, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources find the American role in the operation against Muammar Qaddafi heading only one way: Instead of a transition “in a few days” to NATO i.e. Europe – which US President Barack Obama will no doubt reiterate when he addresses the nation Tuesday, March 29 – the United States is sliding deeper day by day into a third war in a Muslim country.

In the last three days, US air strikes have beaten Qaddafi’s forces into tactical retreat from all its conquests in the rebel-held eastern province of Cyrenaica. This operation rescued the rebels from the certain defeat they faced in the middle of last week, allowed them to retake the strategic oil towns of Ajdabiya, Brega and Ras Lanuf and opened the way for them to drive forward to Qaddafi’s home town of Sirte, the key to Tripoli.

In the view of debkafile’s military experts, the Libyan opposition’s gains are no more than a victory on paper, not the battlefield. Qaddafi and his commanders executed tactical retreats from those towns – not because they were beaten in battle but to avoid being ground down by superior US sea-based and air power. That power opened the door for the opposition rebels to recover the towns they lost in the last three weeks and pose as victors.

For Washington, the implication is clear: Continuing rebel momentum against Qaddafi’s forces depends on United States commitment to two steps:

1.  Keeping up the aerial and sea-based bombardment of government forces. Nothing, otherwise, will stop Qaddafi’s troops turning around and heading back east to recapture the towns they left.  Containing Qaddafi’s army cannot be left to the limited capabilities of France and Britain or any other members of NATO which has assumed token command of the Libya operation.
2. Organizing the rebels into regular combat units and furnishing them with arms, funds and military instructors. The other alternative would be for the Americans to invest increasing numbers of ground forces into Libya to defend the eastern provinces against Qaddafi reasserting control.

Saturday, March 26, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates admitted, “Libya did not pose a threat to the United States before the US began its military campaign.” Asked whether ongoing developments indicated that US military involvement might continue at least until the end of the year, Gates replied: “I don’t think anybody knows the answer to that.”

In other words, no one in Washington, including no doubt the president, can say with any certainty exactly where the American campaign in Libya is heading or its duration.
In just a few days, the gap has widened exponentially between America’s first commitment to supporting a European-Arab operation mandated by the UN for enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya and protecting civilians plus an imminent transition of the US lead role and President Obama’s pledge not to involve ground troops – all the way over to an expanding commitment to supporting an armed revolt against the Qaddafi regime.

Aware of the Obama administration’s quandary, Qaddafi offered Washington a way out. By pulling his troops out of the eastern towns, he gave the Americans a chance to chalk up a rebel victory – or at least a standoff – and leave it at that. At this stage, he would accept the loss of Cyrenaica so long as the Americans give up their assaults.

However, should the Obama administration decide to persist in its active military support for the rebellion, the Libyan ruler may consider three counter-steps:

One, to carry out the threat he made prior to the coalition campaign against his regime to strike back at American, British and French targets in the Middle East and Europe;

Two, to activate Libyan undercover terrorist networks in Europe against US targets as well as local ones;

Three, to retreat along with his family to a secret sanctuary among loyal Saharan tribes and from there to fight for his survival against both the Americans and Al Qaeda which he accuses of penetrating the opposition and turning his people against him.

http://www.debka.com/article/20807/

STATEMENT BY EDL ON CHARLENE DOWNES

March 29 2011

WHY THE MEDIA SILENCE ABOUT ISSUE AND DEMO?

While violence flared in London yesterday, the unjustly vilified EDL were holding a protest on Blackpool seafront to demand that the CPS re-open the investigation into the disappearance and presumed murder of Charlene Downes. On this occasion no UAF or MDL were present to unleash violence, and thus it turned out to be a completely peaceful demonstration. As can be seen from the video below, the EDL are continuing to provide support to the Downes family, something which neither the justice system nor press appear willing to do, and this support is not going to waver and evaporate. As the EDL organiser said of the case:

“We want it highlighted. We don’t want it brushed under the carpet just like any other case. We want the powers that be to know, the English Defence League is not going to forget this. We will keep coming back. . . . We will keep coming back, until at least this case is looked at again by the Crown Prosecution Service, and these scum are not going to get away with this one.”

“We want them to know that the casuals and the English Defence League; we know about them! We’re watching you! And in Charlene’s name, we won’t let you get away with it. . . We will never let you get away with it.”

Why was there media silence over this demo yesterday? It numbered hundreds of people, men and women who gathered together to highlight a cause about justice that needs to be addressed and resolved. If the victim had been a Muslim or a member of any minority group, you can guarantee this crime would never be out of the headlines until justice had been done. But Charlene and her family belong to the most demonised section of the population – the English working class – so our politically correct multiculturalist media don’t want to know. They don’t want to acknowledge that the alleged perpetrators of the crime (captured on tape admitting raping and murdering Charlene then cutting her up to sell as kebab meat) belong to that officially protected and idolised section of the population – Muslims.

The UK has a significant problem with Muslim paedophiles who prey upon English girls and contemptuously abuse them. This stems directly from the example of their violent paedophile prophet Mohammed. Increasing numbers of people are waking up to the fact that this is the reality that lies at the centre of Islamic tradition and doctrine, and no amount of state-sanctioned politically correct media brainwashing can cover this up. Anyone who has direct experience of living near to the Muslim colonies in our country today knows the official media and government line about Islam being just like any other religion to be a lie.

The Downes family are grateful to the EDL, and yesterday Charlene’s mother expressed this gratitude by saying:

“God bless you. You are our angels . . .You’re doing a great job. A job the police and the CPS are incapable of doing . . .We will fight, and fight on for justice.”

Next Saturday the EDL go to Blackburn, and the Downes family will be with them. This protest will continue, just as the EDL will continue to protest until justice is restored in this country, so that we are free from the malign influence of doctrinaire Islam. One day, we will again be able to go about our daily lives, secure in the knowledge that this dark episode in our national story will have passed, and that Islam will never threaten our shores and our people again. As the organiser of yesterday’s demo said at the close of the protest: “No surrender and never forget!”

4INTERNATIONAL CALL ON ALL WHO DEFEND ISRAEL TO TAKE URENT ACTION NOW

FOR THE RESPONSE OF 4INTERNATIONAL SEE PREVIOUS ARTICLE

HAARETZ

Israel informed the 15 members of the United Nations Security Council last week, as well as several other prominent European Union countries, that if the Palestinian Authority persists in its efforts to gain recognition in September as a state within the 1967 borders, Israel would respond with a series of unilateral steps of its own.

Senior Foreign Ministry officials said the ministry’s director general, Rafael Barak, sent a classified cable last week to more than 30 Israeli embassies, directing them to lodge a diplomatic protest at the highest possible level in response to the Palestinian efforts to gain international recognition for statehood at the UN General Assembly session in September.

The Israeli diplomatic corps conveyed the message that support for international recognition, particularly by most of the members of the European Union, encouraged the Palestinians to forgo negotiations with Israel and to move more quickly toward recognition at the UN of Palestinian statehood. Israeli diplomats stressed that such a move violates the Oslo Accords and will not lead to a Palestinian state even if the General Assembly grants recognition, but could lead to violence on the ground.

European diplomats have confirmed to Haaretz that such a message was conveyed several days ago. One diplomat said his country did not receive a serious response when asked what unilateral steps Israel might take. Another diplomat, from a European country, said in light of the current deadlock in negotiations, international recognition of Palestinian statehood appeared unavoidable in September.

Foreign Ministry sources said no decision has been taken at this stage over a possible Israeli response to UN recognition of Palestinian statehood, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not held any major discussion of such a response on a formal level among his cabinet colleagues. Ideas have been floated on the right wing of the political spectrum in recent weeks, suggesting, for example, that Israel might apply Israeli law to the West Bank or annex major settlement blocs to Israel. [..]

WILL BIBI BETRAY…THE PROBLEM OF ACCEPTING THE EXTREME MUSLIM NARRATIVE

March 29 2011

Netanyahu’s declaration of support for Palestinian statehood required his acceptance of the Palestinian narrative. That narrative blames the absence of peace on Israel’s refusal to surrender all of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem. Having effectively accepted the blame for the absence of peace, Netanyahu has been unable to wage a coherent political counteroffensive against the Palestinian political war. 

 

 

 

 

For the past week and a half, Netanyahu has been considering a new “diplomatic initiative.” According to media reports, he is weighing two options. First, he may end IDF counterterror operations in Palestinian cities in Judea and Samaria. Such a move would involve compromising all of the IDF’s military achievements in the areas since 2002 when it first targeted the Palestinian terror factories from Hebron to Jenin during Operation Defensive Shield. 

 

The second option he is reportedly considering involves announcing his acceptance of a Palestinian state with non-final borders. Such a move would render it difficult if not impossible for Israel to conduct counterterror operations within those temporary borders. It would also make it all but impossible for Israel to assert its sovereign rights over the areas. 

 

Supporters of this initiative argue that not only will it stave off US pressure; it will strengthen Netanyahu’s political position at home.

 

Leon Trotsky maintained for all of his life that Zionism could not solve the Jewish Nationalism issue

 

This was part of what became known as the “Permanent Revolution”, basically theoretical generalisations, one of which was that the national bourgeois leaders were deficient in creating functioning national states

 

This also applies to Jews and to the creation of the Jewish Homeland

 

It is one thing to “refer” to the ancient Jewish Homeland of the Bible; also to refer to the ancient and still living concept of the return to Zion, that is to Jerusalem.

 

It is another thing entirely in today’s political struggles to bring that Zion into fruition

 

Trotsky maintained that the Jewish bourgeois leaders could not do this. This has been given rich confirmation by all of Jewish and Israeli history since 1948, with special reference to their inability to deal with the Fascist type propaganda of Islam, in this case of Arabs imbued with the Muslim religion.

 

The Jewish capitalist leaders like Netanyahu just cannot lead this struggle against the antisemitic Muslims. Time and events have proved this.

 

Since 1948 the Jews of Israel have fought major battles, and won, especially 1948 and 1967, but at each victory the leaders have surrendered the positions previously won

 

Especially

 

  1. The acceptance of the slicing off of the present Jordan, which Britain did by means of underhand moves under the table, prior to Britain taking the role of the organizer of the “Mandate”
  2. The acceptance of the “Armistice” following the 1948 to 1949 war with the Arabs, and the acceptance of the Armistice Lines, an acceptance which is the root of the present evil
  3. Finally the acceptance of Resolution 242 following the Jewish victory in the 1967 War

 

This has been followed by

 

The role of Sharon, Livni and Barak in surrendering even more of the land heritage, which followed on the betrayal of the once great Jewish fighter Begin of the Sinai

 

IN THE PAST YEAR

 

The acceptance of Netanyahu of a Palestine State to be built on the most precious to Jews land of Judea and Samaria, land that is mentioned many times in the Bible

 

The path which Netanyahu has entered onto, with his appointment of Barak to the key position of defence, to following the same path as Livni and Olmert in allowing rockets to rain down on Jews from Muslim Arabs, who had supported The Holocaust

 

The ties of Netanyahu to Empire especially seen in his refusal to side with Gadhafi against the Sharia Al Qaida in Libya

 

The fear that Netanyahu plans more concessions on this road of giving in to Muslim Arab pressure to create the 23rd Arab state, and the 2nd Arab state in Palestine (Jordan of course being the first

 

 

Or in other words, as Trotsky maintained in the lst years of his life, especially in 1937 on coming to Mexico, the Jewish bourgeois or capitalist leaders cannot carry through the Jewish national struggle

 

Netanyahu as their most consistent representative confirms this. It confirms the tendency of the Jewish capitalist class to sell out and to give up on the struggle

 

This does not mean that the struggle of Zionism is not worthwhile, (THE OPPODITE IN FACT, IT IS MOST VALID) just that the capitalist representatives cannot lead it to success.

 

Of course partisans may seek to distort the positions of Trotsky, may seek to distort the record of history, may even attack the dead Trotsky on an almost personal basis!

 

But those basic facts of the situation are being played out: The Jewish capitalist class cannot create a leadership which can or will complete their Zionist struggle, which is really the central national struggle of the Jewish people

 

This overall concept needs to be kept in mind as we watch the consistent betrayals of this class.

 

As a representative of this Jewish capitalist class Netanyahu moves to dismantle the gains that were made in the great 1967 War, and almost (approaching totally!) accepts the narrative of the Palestinian Muslims, that that was a not progressive war by the Jews.

 

Netanyahu like Sharon is accepting the narrative of the Muslim Arab enemy of the Jews

 

This is the real and underlying meaning of Netanyahu giving away to the Muslim Arabs under pressure from America the key defensive shield of road checks etc, and thus placing Jewish lives in danger, as happened in the tragedy of the Fogel murders 2 weeks ago

 

Also planning to give up security in J and S to the Arab Muslims, who have had an army built up on their behalf by America, on similar lines to the army being built up for the “Transitional Council” by America and NATO/EU countries AGAINST Gadhafi in Libya, also confirms the same thing. The main lesson is the weakness and perfidy of this Jewish capitalist class and their leaders, in this present case of Netanyahu

 

There is one move that could be made to stop this rot, not the full answer, but a step towards an answer

 

That is to dismiss totally the concept of a 2nd Arab state in Palestine and a decision taken that Israeli Law will extend to all of this territory, which will include the Golan, Judea and Samaria, Gaza, with probably the Sinai to follow, if Egypt proves to be belligerent to Israel

 

This may need a new election and a new Government, that is if Netanyahu does not immediately do a 180 degree turn

 

These are the positions of 4international alone.

 

But we are happy for others to copy and to put into effect these proposals and analysis