So, what a momentous week at the UN

Let us work together to build a future for our children, said the Nazi Arafat in a suit Abbas, the man who gained his doctorate in Moscow by writing a screed of Holocaust Denial!

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Abbas speech at UN raised memories of the Holocaust

The speech by Abbas to the UN was such a veritable litany of lies, “lying layered” you could call it, as only a disciple of Goebbels could do, that I was speechless listening to it.

But these lies about the Jewish and Arab Narrative have now become part of the general narrative thanks mainly to the likes of the BBC, and many unscrupulous reporters such as Robert Fisk repeating the Big Lie week after week, year after year, whole lifeimes of individuals being devoted to these lies, in the manner also of the Srebrenica Big Lie.

Therein lies the problem and those listening, almost all, were swallowing these Goebbels like lies, because they have been indoctrinated by the prevalent Nazi propaganda against the Jews and against the Jewish state. They know no better.

The Israeli leaders since 1948, who have had possession of the Israeli state, and ruled supreme over the Israeli state, have failed to tell this narrative, failed hopelessly, and the big question not asked by any Jews I have met is why?

The answer to that is found in the unassailable fact recently uncovered that Netanyahu has been telling the US to continue funding Nazi Goebbels type books and education to Palestinian Arab children and this has taken place in recent months!

And again why? Netanyahu and the Israeli leaders, as the Debka website keeps exposing, just do not want to rock the boat and want to go on pretending the lie of Obama/Clinton/Powers that it is possible to have a compromise between the Jews and the Nazi propaganda of the Palestinian Arabs


The speech by Abbas was pure Nazi lying. There were so many lies it needs an extended study but we on 4international are not going to take that road, answering lie by lie, because these lies only will morph in the retelling.

Rather 4international is telling the truthful story ourselves and we invite all who we meet to read this story, an on-going project that many people are free to participate in.

But Jews will easily have picked up on a couple of key issues in the Abbas speech which are worth noting.

For one Abbas talked about 63 years, but that 63 years brings us back to the formation of the Israeli state.

Note that when the PLO in 1964 was formed there was no West Bank and the aim of the PLO was to destroy Israel. The speech showed that Abbas has not changed from that.

Secondly, Abbas kept referring to the Nakba, but the war of 1948 was clearly and is easily shown to be a genocidal war on the part of 5 Arab Armies to create rivers of blood, Jewish blood, and the leader was Hajj Amin el Husseini, central figure in the Holocaust of the Jews, just 3 years before. In other words it was a continuation of the Holocaust.

So Abbas was doing what these Palestinian Arabs do best, tell the Big Lie, and in this case tell the Big Lie against the Jews, which is anti-Semitism.



Netanyahu in his speech was brave and said many useful and true things.

For example he said that Palestine wants a state without peace. In other words a Jihadist state, or a state with which to wage war, in other words the “stages theory of Arafat!

That indeed is the centre of the issue of the Palestine Arab state issue. The Arabs want a Palestine Arab State because it is a “stage” in the total destruction of Israel.

How do we know that? The Arabs themselves have told us that. Arafat told that to Arabs in Arabic. It is a repeated refrain in Palestinian Arab circles.

Of course when the Arabs talk about these things to the likes of the BBC things are presented rather differently. Then the Palestinian Arabs like Ashrawi, herself a wealthy woman, adopt the screeching pose of a down at heel victim, and if it was not for the diabolical Jews then peace would have come aeons ago! Total anti-Semitism!



What can Israel do?

Let me and 4international here be totally honest: Israel can do very little because it is saddled by the most awful leaders that it is possible to put together. The lesson of Netanyahu encouraging for anti-Semitic school books to Arab children is a salutary lesson.

Israeli leaders can do little about the situation and they will do little. This is what Jews who I come into contact with on various blogs etc find hard to come to terms with. The whole of the Jewish Israeli scene is characterised by bankruptcy in leadership, by personal and political paralysis, and in the end by excuses. Very few I have met can look reality in the eye and accept reality.

There is a deep reason for this bankruptcy and for this paralysis which is never discussed, and woe to anybody who tries to discuss it, although some of the Jews of Israel are beginning to understand the problem.

There is always some vested interest to step in and attempt to block any development with poisoned words such as “Oh you know he is a Trotskyist etc. etc.!!!” As if we would hide this most proud heritage!



Judaism is a 2 edged sword. On the one hand Judaism has held the Jewish people together in great adversity and has in fact created the Jewish people

But on the other hand Judaism was unable to produce one single worthwhile analysis of Fascism, of Hitlerism, of the very force which sought to destroy them as a race and people.

Only Leon Trotsky was able and willing to do just that (create an analysis of Fascism)

The implication of this for the present are enormous.

In order to survive the Jewish people now need to make a veritable political and theoretical leap. There needs to be a leap in consciousness as a precondition for a correct strategy to fight against Fascism in 2011, which is of course the Jihad, Palestinianism, and the depredations of NATO today (Libya) on a world scale, all of which are intertwined.



But in a general sense this leap will not take place in the Jewish religious circles, in fact in general these are going to oppose this leap being made. Some religious youth may make this leap in consciousness but that is the exception not the rule.

What Jews must do is not going to emerge out of the Jews themselves. In many ways the Jews will need to break from their narrow Judaism in order to make this leap.

If not from inside it can only come from outside and that outside is the theory and heritage of Trotskyism which we alone on 4international represent today.


Sept 22 on CAMERA

Palestinian Official: No End of Conflict After Palestinian State


Palestinian ambassador to Lebanon Abdullah Abdullah


There was a time when Palestinian leaders sought to conceal their goal of overrunning the Jewish state in misleading commentary for Western audiences that implied a willingness to accept coexistence with a sovereign Israel. Now, evidently, times have changed and blunt statements are deemed safe to make. A remarkable interview in Lebanon’s Daily Star (September 15, 2011) illustrates the shift. According to Abdullah Abdullah, Palestinian ambassador to Lebanon, Palestinians would not all become automatic citizens of any future Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. The story reports:

This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens. Abdullah said that the new Palestinian state would “absolutely not” be issuing Palestinian passports to refugees.

Abdullah’s willingness to leave Palestinians stateless in camps even in territory under Palestinian authority is spelled out further for anyone who’s missed the point:

The right of return that Abdullah says is to be negotiated would not only apply to those Palestinians whose origins are within the 1967 borders of the state, he adds. “The state is the 1967 borders, but the refugees are not only from the 1967 borders. The refugees are from all over Palestine. When we have a state accepted as a member of the United Nations, this is not the end of the conflict. This is not a solution to the conflict. This is only a new framework that will change the rules of the game.”

Is that clear? “When we have a state accepted as a member of the United Nations, this is not the end of the conflict” just a change in the rules of the game. Sound like the PLO’s 1974 “phased plan” for the destruction of Israel?

Something, indeed, is changing when an “ambassador” can give an interview such as this and there’s not a ripple in the Western media.

hat tip Evelyn Gordon at Contentions


Posted by AL at September 22, 2011 01:06 PM


“..an “ambassador” can give an interview such as this and there’s not a ripple in the Western media.”

There is not a ripple because the destruction of Israel and the ascendance of Islam is the desiderata of most of the Third World, the Western media and a host of ‘useful idiot’ activists.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 22, 2011 07:48 PM

So if not all Palestinians would become citizens, and the conflict with Israel would not end, what exactly is the point of a Palestinian state? In my view, none at all… it is just one more tool directed against Israel and for that reason, should be denied.

Posted by: RMKosht at September 23, 2011 01:30 AM

I could never understand why the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank BEFORE 1948 are also considered “refugees”, since they did not lose their homes or land, whether voluntarily or not.

Additionally, how can it be that “Palestinians” who hold another country’s citizenship and passport are still considered “refugees”?

The illogic of the “Palestinian Refugee Issue” passes all boundaries at times– these are scenarios that even Kafka couldn’t have invented.



Sept 11


Statements this week by the Palestine Liberation Organization’s ambassador to the United States, Maen Rashid Areikat, have implied that maybe there would be Jews in a Palestinian state, maybe not. “After the experience of the last 44 years of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated,” he told reporters earlier this week. He then clarified, “Under no circumstances was I saying that no Jews can be in Palestine. … I never said that, and I never meant to say such a thing. This is not a religious conflict, and we want to establish a secular state.” The Center for American Progress’ Matt Duss notes that this notion originates in an interview Areikat gave a year ago … to literary editor David Samuels in Tablet Magazine. If we go that particular tape, we do find Areikat repeatedly moving toward a definition of Jewishness that is religious rather than ethnic, a premise that allows him to question both the wisdom of having Jews in Palestine and the validity of Israel’s being recognized as the Jewish state:

Everywhere in the world, Jews follow the nationality and citizenship of the country where they live. In the United States, you have American Jews, who live in the United States. You have French Jews. And this was the original argument between us and the Jews. Why can’t you be Palestinian Jews? …

At one point, we believed that Jews are followers of religion, and not a nation and a people, and I’ll tell you why. In order to be one people, one nation, you have to be homogenous. …

Israel is a political establishment that claims to represent Jews all over the world. I very much doubt that Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu represent every Jew in the world. I know there are Jews who don’t agree with Netanyahu. …

I’m not saying to transfer every Jew, I’m saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state.

Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave? [asked Samuels.]

Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after.

But it becomes clear that Areikat’s real objection to recognizing Israel as the Jewish state is strategic:

Let’s say that tomorrow the Palestinian leadership comes out and says, “OK, we’re ready to recognize the Jewishness of the state.” What implications would that have, immediately, on the Palestinians? You know that in our view the refugee problem is the crux of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Today we have 6.5 million registered refugees out of 10 or 10.5 million Palestinians. One out of six refugees in the world is Palestinian. By accepting Israel’s claim now, that they are a Jewish state, we are telling the Israelis: Forget about the refugees, forget about their plight, no right of return, no U.N. General Assembly resolution 194; we are giving up the refugee issue, we are taking it off the table before we even started negotiating.

Yet what is most remarkable about the interview is its time-capsule nature. One year ago—the interview was published last October—Fatah, the moderate Palestinian faction that controls the PLO and the Palestinian Authority and of which Areikat is a loyal member, consciously cast itself as the weaker party, at Israel’s whim, quietly building the trappings of statehood under Prime Minister Salam Fayyad. “Israel is the stronger party in the equation,” Areikat said then. “Palestinians have no way of forcing Israel to accept anything.” One year later, the U.N. move has been transformed from a practical next step in the peace process into a symbolic end-run around it. This bait-and-switch, and how little notice it’s received, is striking.



Abbas: NO Jewish state, NO Jews in Palestine, No end to refugees

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