by Felix Quigley

April 3, 2009


Independent Norwegian poll:

Palestinian majority opposes

two states

DEBKAfile Special Report

April 3, 2009, 10:42 AM (GMT+02:00)


The Norwegian Fafo institute which sponsored the 1993 Oslo Framework accords decided to find out how the Palestinians felt about this solution. Its main discovery was that a majority, 53 percent, of Palestinians (like Israelis), is against two states.

[The Fafo Institute is basically an Israel hating body. The OSLO Accords and Norwegian Diplomacy was designed to destroy Israel]


This figure breaks down into 33 percent, who opt for the annihilation of the state of Israel, whether by political means or force of arms – to be replaced by a single Islamic republic on all parts of the country;


and 20 percent, which favors a united Israeli-Palestinian state, to be eventually engulfed by the latter population.

When Hamas members are polled separately, support for two states drops to 21 percent.


Publication of these findings by the Fafo Institute for Applied International Studies, which is supported by Norwegian foreign ministry and respected by European Middle East policy-makers, indicates that its researchers have given up on the Oslo Accords and the two-state goal pursued by Washington.


However, DEBKAfile‘s Washington sources expect extreme reluctance on the part of the Obama administration to abandon this goal because it is the only policy objective it has developed and is being used, furthermore, as a key to open the administration’s diplomatic door to the Muslim world, especially in the Afghanistan-Pakistan arena (now lumped together as the “Afpak” front).


The US president’s advisers are urging him to speed up Israel-Palestinian peacemaking for these ends – even if it means foisting the two-state objective on the Israelis. Proof that the Palestinians too will have to be whipped into line brings the venture close to a mission impossible.


The position of Obama and the US Government is this

1. They want Israel to live in their small state while Iranian Fascist Mullahs have the possession of the Nuclear Bomb.

These have already said that the Israeli state needs to be destroyed, and Zionism eradicated. Zionism is nothing more than the wish and right of Jews to have a sovereign country

2. This was also the case when the Norwegian state diplomats tried to make Israel accept a Palestine state next to them and on historical Israeli land

3. In other words Norway and Norwegian elitist diplomacy is basically antisemitic.

Now this notorious Fafo Institute is spelling out that Arabs will not accept living side by side with Jews in the area of the Middle East.

What to make of this? Why would they conduct such a search in order to reach such a finding?

So if not a 2 state solution, then the Fafo Institute may be preparing the ground for the Islamist conquest of Israel, which is basically what the Obama Government sets out to do also.


Well the first step is really unavoidable. Israel has no choice hard though it may be.

Israel must strike against Iran to either destroy totally or cripple the Iranian Nuclear Bomb which is aimed against Israel.

Given that the US Government is on the side of Iran then the only solution for Israel is a big movement inside the ordinary people of America, which opposes the Obama Government and which is in alliance and solidarity with Israel.

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by Felix Quigley

April 4, 2009


This is an article by a person called Dave Rich. It contains some very useful information about antisemitism, Jew hatred and Israel hatred.

The Gaza War was a real lesson in antisemitism in action.

Here was an organization made up of Palestinian Arabs. Their record was for 8 years to fire rockets into Israel.

Every time that Israel tried to do something about this then Israel it was which was condemned.

This in itself was antisemitism in action. No other country on earth would allow terrorists to attack it for 8 long years.

During this time not only were Jews murdered by these rockets, but since it was going on for 8 years many Jewish children never knew what it was like to sleep in safety.

The children and Jews of places like Sderot were never able to sleep as ordinary people do. This 60 years after the end of the Holocaust. What a scandal and what a black mark against humanity.

Understanding all of this is very important for the following reason.

We on 4international are certain that Netanyahu and his Government will strike against the Fascist Nazi Iranian Nuclear bomb and will do so soon.

It will also do it alone because the US Government of Obama is really in alliance with Islam.

And this courageous strike by tiny Israel will literally transform the world.

It is vital that our friends build a big movement in America that will reach out to the ordinary people in America and will mobilise them in defence of solitary Israel. Same in Europe.

It is in that light that I think this article by Dave Rich (who I do not know much about) is useful and important

[Begin article by Dave Rich here]

Holocaust Abuse, by Dave Rich

Wednesday, March 4th, 2009

The following is a guest blog that originally appeared in Harry’s Place. For full coverage of the feedback and debate that ensued, click here.

Opposition in Britain to Israel’s recent assault on Hamas in Gaza saw the allegation that Israel is in some way analogous to Nazi Germany become a central plank of anti-Zionist propaganda. Yet there is no serious similarity, in scale, intentions or outcome, between the Nazi destruction of European Jewry and Israeli policy in Gaza; which begs the question why it has become such a popular idea, when it causes deep offence to so many Jews.

The Nazi comparison wasn’t just something that appeared on the fringes of anti-Israel activity during this period. George Galloway MP, addressing the crowd at one anti-Israel demonstration in London, had this to say:

“In April and May of 1943, the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto were surrounded by barbed wire fences, by the occupiers of Poland, and they faced a choice, in the words of the song of the partisans: ‘They could die on their knees or they could live forever’. And they chose to rise up against their occupier, to use their bodies as weapons, to dig tunnels, to fight, not to die in ones and twos of hunger and typhus, but to die as free men and women. Today, the Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw Ghetto, and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.”

The British Muslim Initiative, one of the organisers of the demonstrations, put it on their placards; and lots of marchers even made their own versions at home.

Plenty of others have weighed in: Gerald Kaufman MP, Ken Livingstone, even a senior figure at the Vatican. There are many more examples. A charge that had previously sat on the fringes of anti-Israel campaigning has taken centre stage, superseding the Apartheid analogy that had previously driven much anti-Zionist discourse.


This is partly because analogies with the Holocaust fit what David Hirsh called “ready-made ways of thinking about Jews”. It’s easy, and it’s lazy, to reach for the Holocaust as the first source for a historical parallel to events involving Israel or antisemitism. But equating Israel to Nazi Germany also serves a political purpose.

(It is a little more and different to “easy” and “lazy” as Hirsh says…FQ)

Richard Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, invoked the Israel/Nazism comparison because “you have to shout to be heard”: accusing the Jewish state of behaving like Nazis gets attention, even if “The references to the Holocaust and to the Nazi policies were not meant to be literal comparisons”.

Martin Shaw, Research Professor of International Relations and Politics at the University of Sussex, concedes that it is an “extreme comparison” with several factual flaws, but argues that it is not “objectionable in principle” because “the use of an exaggerated comparison [is] a common ploy in political campaigning”.

John Wight of the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign, argued that it was appropriate to describe Gaza as a “new holocaust” because “The irony of perpetrators of crimes against humanity claiming to represent victims of one of the greatest ever crimes against humanity is what gives the word ‘holocaust’ in relation to Gaza particular resonance – again, at least for those committed to ensuring that the horrors of the Holocaust are never repeated.”

So Wight, who has previously identified an actor called “international Jewry” that is part of the “hydra-headed monster” known as Israel, thinks that the Holocaust analogy should be used specifically because of the connection between Israel, Jews and the Holocaust. Falk and Shaw acknowledge that Israel is not the same as Nazi Germany, but think it is OK to use the comparison because it provokes a response. No surprise there: comparing Israel to Nazi Germany provokes a response precisely because the Holocaust has a “particular resonance” for Jews.

You might think that an anti-racist would see this as a reason not to make the analogy. But let’s leave such sensitivities to one side for now. More interesting is the idea that, even if the facts don’t fit, the comparison is valid because it has political utility. As Wight explains, Israel “is a state which claims to represent the victims of the Holocaust, which largely derives its moral legitimacy from that monstrous crime, and which has been able to violate and flout international law with impunity in its treatment of the Palestinians as a direct consequence of the international guilt which pervades the ruling classes in Europe and the US over the Holocaust.” Take away the moral weight of the Holocaust, so the argument goes, and Israel loses its right to exist, or least to act as it wishes.

We’ve seen this line of thinking before.

In 1980, Canadian Holocaust Denier Ernst Zundel wrote an open letter to the Muslim world:

The Islamic world has the financial means to publish, broadcast or otherwise disseminate the historical, factual data leading to the truth…. There are at this moment already in existence organizations which, if properly funded, could become the nucleus of an independent, worldwide information network capable of countering the now virtually unopposed Zionist disinformation and hate propaganda networks. One such example is the Zundelsite, a United States based website that has exposed the so-called “Holocaust” as an extortion tool…that yields Israel the money, power and excuse to occupy the Palestinians and to intimidate its neighbours such as Syria, Lebanon, Iran and other Arab nations…. Take the Holocaust away, and you will have severed the financial water well that feeds an evil oligarchy and repressive system!

Or as Scottish Islamist writer Yacub Zaki put it, rather more succinctly:

“David Irving has the right idea, destroy the Holocaust myth and you have destroyed Israel.”

Now, it should be stressed that Wight, Shaw, Falk and the rest are not Holocaust Deniers. On the contrary, they think it is the worst crime ever perpetrated. But what they share with Zundel and Zaki is the idea that any political campaign that aims to significantly change the way Israel is viewed in the West must cut the link between the Holocaust, Israel and the Jews. Instead of denying that the Holocaust took place, it is instead appropriated for anti-Zionist purposes. In this way of thinking, Europe’s outstanding moral debt from the Holocaust is to the Palestinians, not to the Jews, who, having abandoned the universalism that so failed to protect Europe’s Jews from the Nazis, should not expect any special protection from Europe as a consequence of Hitler’s genocide.

So much for the theory. What impact does all this have?

Despite the fantasies of British anti-Zionists that they are contributing to the Palestinian struggle, anti-Israel activity has a much greater impact in Britain than it ever will in the Middle East. The unprecedented number of antisemitic incidents in Britain during the Gaza conflict has been widely reported. Less tangible, but in some ways more worrying, is the growing sense of vulnerability felt by many British Jews. There are lots of people in Britain who express their hatred for Israel by attacking Jews. And before anyone suggests that Jews should therefore, as a defensive measure, distance themselves from Israel: the attackers don’t stop first to ask their victim what they think of Gaza, or Olmert, or the occupation. The answer to antisemitism is not to tell Jews to change their behaviour.

The greater the hatred for Israel, the greater the hatred for Jews; and nobody is more deserving of hatred than Nazis. In our post-Holocaust, human rights world, it is generally considered a good thing to hate Nazis, who, by their morals and values, stand outside and in opposition to mainstream society. Efforts are made to deny them platforms, disrupt their activities and even attack them physically. If Israel is a Nazi state, then anybody who does not oppose Israel is morally no better than a Nazi. There is only one place this train of thought can end: with the demonisation and social isolation of the vast majority of ordinary British Jews.

It means that when mainstream Jewish community leadership bodies organise a rally with the slogan, “Stop Hamas Terror: Peace for the people of Israel and Gaza”, and launch a Jewish community fundraising campaign for hospitals in both Gaza and Israel during the fighting, Richard Seymour accuses them of “cheerleading the massacre” and concludes that anybody who goes on the rally “ought to be shunned, and treated as the moral and political degenerates that they are.” It means that a research paper published by the School of Oriental and African Studies to investigate “legal aspects of economic and trade issues arising from Israel’s occupation of the OPTs” lists the names, addresses and contact details of kosher food shops in London and Manchester.

Once the central argument of anti-Israel campaigning in this country is that Israel is Nazi Germany, then this is no longer an anti-Zionist movement: it is an antisemitic one, with an antisemitic politics as its driving force.


by Felix Quigley

April 4, 2009

Despite the huge amount of verbiage being uttered by sites such as Israpundit we on 4international believe that the key issue for Israel, for Jews, and for us on the Left who support Israel unconditionally is the issue of the Mullahs’ nukes.

We wish it were otherwise but…Israel simply does not have any alternative. If Israel allows the Iranian Nazis to gain the Nuclear bomb then it will certainly be used against the Jews of Israel.

Those who try to gloss over this issue are simply antisemites. Iran has stated clearly that it sees the Zionist state as being something to them evil.

Ahmadinejad talked about either wiping Israel off the map or about the end of the Zionist presence in the Middle East.

And certainly Ahmadinejad is a backer of Hamas and Hizbullah both of which are sworn to destroy Israel.

If all that was not enough Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are at the centre of Holocaust Denial, in fact actually organizing a major Holocaust Denial conference in Teheran in which all the antisemites of the world who deny the Holocaust were present. Antisemitism, denial of the Holocaust, are signs that lead on to a new Holocaust.

This article on 4international seeks to make known the role of the US CIA organization and its role specifically on this issue.

Remember that Christopher Simpson in his famous book “Blowback” provided the clear evidence that the CIA was made up of tens of thousands of Nazis who were recruited by the US Government out of those Nazis who had led in carrying out the Holocaust.

This therefore throws a major light on the following, when this CIA agency and its organizations came out and claimed (National Intelligence Estimate November 2007) that Iran had given up its pursuit of the Nuclear Bomb. (Specifically had halted in 2003 for a number of years)

But if one bothers to read their report that was their conclusion, and that was the Headline, but in the content of their report they admitted that Iran was continuing to enrich uranium and that a nuclear bomb was possible in 2009.

You can find this on

Click to access 20071203_release.pdf

If you can surmount the usual guff and scan down to the section called “Key Judgments” and look at “C”, then they state that the Mullahs are accelerating the process of enriching uranium in their centrifuges in Natanz, and that it is possible for them to have enough material for a nuclear bomb by 2009.

So what was all the fuss about. How come Hadley the US Government spokesman tried to tell the world there was no problem?

Well for one thing all the antisemitic journalists that I know of in the world who hate Israel honed in on the Headline and obviously did not read the report itself. If they had read the report they would have found that the US was saying 2 contradictory things.

This is the murky world of the US Governmental Imperialism, which is throwing Israel into such deep crisis.

The whole thing is amazing. You have these leftist type journalists (the BBC is full of them) full of Israel hatred and they are so against the Iraq war which overthrew an absolute fiend in Saddam. Yet here they provide an apology for the Iranian Mullahs aim to wipe out the Jews. If that is not antisemitism by these journalists I do not know what is.

It is clear that Obama is in bed with the Islamist Fascists and that Israel is very vulnerable.

This is why the one historical role of the Netanyahu Government is to strike, and either destroy totally or significantly delay the Iranian Nuclear Bomb making.

This in itself will change the political landscape of the world.

Expect NO thanks from those Arab regimes who also fear the Iranian Bomb. They will use the Israeli strike to stir up antisemitism. That is what they do.

As to those in the west who oppose Israel on this we on 4international say…”Quite simply you are antisemites”.

To expect that Israel can be (it is somehow normal to be) threatened by the Nazis Mullahs and their hideous bomb, along with their Holocaust Denial etc, is to be a dyed in the wool antisemite.

It is vital that a big organization is built in the US which will drive out into the ordinary people and garner the necessary suport for Israel in these vital months ahead in the aftermath of the Israeli strike against the Nazi Mullahs.

This will be against Obama, against the Nazi linked Bush family, against Bill Clinton who lined up with Islamist Nazi Izetbegovic in Bosnia, against McCain and (Joseph) Lieberman with their pro Kosovo past.

All those Serbs and Russians who fought the Nazis of the US and their allies in the Balkans (like Izetbegovic) must urgently get off the fence. Decisive moments lie ahead.

Either make a comment below, or if you wish privacy mark it private and we will not publish. But DO ACT!

We give the url for the report itself below.

It is an easier way into this notorious report by looking at newspapaer reports. We chose here that of the Washington Post

[Begin report from Washington Post here]

WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — A new assessment by American intelligence agencies concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.

The conclusions of the new assessment are likely to reshape the final year of the Bush administration, which has made halting Iran’s nuclear program a cornerstone of its foreign policy.

The assessment, a National Intelligence Estimate that represents the consensus view of all 16 American spy agencies, states that Tehran is likely keeping its options open with respect to building a weapon, but that intelligence agencies “do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.”

Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium, a program that the Tehran government has said is designed for civilian purposes. The new estimate says that enrichment program could still provide Iran with enough raw material to produce a nuclear weapon sometime by the middle of next decade, a timetable essentially unchanged from previous estimates.

(The above was precisely what the antisemites who quote from this report leave out, and since they are indeed antisemites they do this quite deliberately!)

But the new estimate declares with “high confidence” that a military-run Iranian program intended to transform that raw material into a nuclear weapon has been shut down since 2003, and also says with high confidence that the halt “was directed primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure.”

The “high confidence” is bullshit as the following observation from Washington Post makes clear. They do not say how they have this “high confidence”. The whole thing was a fraud being played out against Israel and in the service of Jew Haters everywhere.

The estimate does not say when American intelligence agencies learned that the weapons program had been halted, but a statement issued by Donald Kerr, the principal director of national intelligence, said the document was being made public “since our understanding of Iran’s capabilities has changed.”

Rather than painting Iran as a rogue, irrational nation determined to join the club of nations with the bomb, the estimate states Iran’s “decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military costs.” The administration called new attention to the threat posed by Iran earlier this year when President Bush had suggested in October that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to “World War III” and Vice President Dick Cheney promised “serious consequences” if the government in Tehran did not abandon its nuclear program.

Yet at the same time officials were airing these dire warnings about the Iranian threat, analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency were secretly concluding that Iran’s nuclear weapons work halted years ago and that international pressure on the Islamic regime in Tehran was working.

Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, portrayed the assessment as “directly challenging some of this administration’s alarming rhetoric about the threat posed by Iran.” He said he hoped the administration “appropriately adjusts its rhetoric and policy,” and called for a “a diplomatic surge necessary to effectively address the challenges posed by Iran.”

But the national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, quickly issued a statement describing the N.I.E. as containing positive news rather than reflecting intelligence mistakes.

“It confirms that we were right to be worried about Iran seeking to develop nuclear weapons,” Mr. Hadley said. “It tells us that we have made progress in trying to ensure that this does not happen. But the intelligence also tells us that the risk of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon remains a very serious problem.”

“The estimate offers grounds for hope that the problem can be solved diplomatically — without the use of force — as the administration has been trying to do,” Mr. Hadley said.

The new report comes out just over five years after a deeply flawed N.I.E. concluded that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons programs and was determined to restart its nuclear program — an estimate that led to congressional authorization for a military invasion of Iraq, although most of the report’s conclusions turned out to be wrong.

Intelligence officials said that the specter of the botched 2002 N.I.E. hung over their deliberations over the Iran assessment, leading them to treat the document with particular caution.

“We felt that we needed to scrub all the assessments and sources to make sure we weren’t misleading ourselves,” said one senior intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.