WILL BELMAN AND ISRAPUNDIT DEFEND NETANYAHU?

by Felix Quigley

June 10, 2010

On the website Israpundit, editor Ted Belman, there is a man there who is a danger to the Jewish people, and he leads Belman and the other regulars there like lambs to the slaughter

He goes by the name of Yamit82

He writes in his latest comment the following:

  1. yamit82 says:

    BB and Barak are a real danger to our existence.

    Enough already, our lives and our future are at stake with these two incompetent miscreant microbial cowards.

    They must go one way or another and I don’t care which.

    I warned against BB over and over and over again in this forum.

    One Thing I don’t have is political Alzheimer’s.

    Criminal charges should be brought against these two for purposely endangering the lives of our soldiers needlessly

But that is precisely what Obama is trying to do Yamit82!

What will be the actual position of editor Ted Belman towards this?

It is necessary to immediately and in the first place form a United Front with the Netanyahu Government against Obama, because it is the aim of Obama to destroy Netanyahu and replace him with Livni.

We on 4international have major differences with Netanyahu and state these all of the time. But we do so in the context of overall defence of Netanyahu against Obama.

That is something that the unprincipled Yamit82 can not do.

So what position will Belman take? Will Belman side with Yamit82 on this vital issue or with 4international.

For their benefit we reprint An Aesop fable

From What Next? Vital Question for the German Proletariat, 1932

* * *

A cattle dealer once drove some bulls to the slaughterhouse. And the butcher came night with his sharp knife.

“Let us close ranks and jack up this executioner on our horns,” suggested one of the bulls.

“If you please, in what way is the butcher any worse than the dealer who drove us hither with his cudgel?” replied the bulls, who had received their political education in Manuilsky’s institute. [The Comintern.]

“But we shall be able to attend to the dealer as well afterwards!”

“Nothing doing,” replied the bulls firm in their principles, to the counselor. “You are trying, from the left, to shield our enemies — you are a social-butcher yourself.”

And they refused to close ranks.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p4

HOW CAN WE STOP THIS BASTARD FROM DESTROYING ISRAEL?

by Felix Quigley

June 9, 2010

The folowing report from DEBKAfile placed on air just minutes ago does 2 things

1. It shows that the American Obama Government is intent on sucking up to the Arabs, and to do this is waging war on Netanyahu

2. The Obama Government wants to destroy Netanyahu

Thus destroy Israel, the Israeli state, the Israeli anbility to defend itself

America is using the inquiry in order to place ITS people on it, in order to DESTROY netanyahu and to create deep divisions inside Israeli society

the American Government is hostile to the Jews and is hostile to Israel

Is this what Left Fascist Sean Matgamma of Workers Liberty meant in his latest article. Matgamma the great “revolutionary” is now aligned with Obama!!!!

Please study the following Debka article. Note also that it is TOO negative. It does not see any way out for Israel. It accepts Israel will be defeated.

But with clear revolutionary leadership Israel can win because there are millions who hate Islam, hate Obama but what it needs is a revolutionary party to mobilize.

After eight months of back-breaking work, the American military engineers helping Egypt build a steel anti-smuggling wall along the strategic Philadelphi Route dividing Gaza from Sinai were suddenly recalled, debkafile’s military sources report – signaling the collapse of Egypt’s blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. Washington thus abandoned its half-a-billion dollar investment in the joint Egyptian-Israeli siege project.
Also Wednesday, June 9, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu again dispersed his inner cabinet without a decision after three days of chewing over various formats for an impartial probe of Israel’s commando raid of the Turkish-led blockade-busting flotilla of May 31.
Washington’s insistence on attaching international “teeth” – and not just American observers – to the probe has stalled Israel’s acceptance. debkafile’s political sources report that for Netanyahu as well as the defense minister Ehud Barak who ordered and scripted the raid, acceptance of a broad international inquiry as demanded by the UN secretary general and Turkey would be suicidal in domestic political terms.
Even full status for American panel members would for the first time give Washington a say in determining the political fate of the witnesses called, i.e. Netanyahu and Barak, first and foremost.

What US president Barack Obama did this week was to go back to his confrontational posture against the Israeli prime minister, at the very moment that Israeli leaders had their backs to the wall against a worldwide onslaught over the flotilla incident orchestrated from Ankara and Tehran.
Washington has now set its face on a new track: salvaging its ties with Turkey by burning the Netanyahu government. Gone is the well-publicized conciliatory rhetoric from the president, the vice president, secretary of state and chief of staff (who brought to his son to Jerusalem for his bar mitzvah) of the past few weeks.
In the absence of an Israeli demand to focus the inquiry on Ankara’s “aid” flotilla project, it will not be hard to single out the culprits for taking the rap – Netanyahu as prime minister and therefore ultimately responsible, and his Defense Minister Barak, the solo performer.
Barak asked no one before ordering chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Gaby Ashkenazi and the generals to go ahead with the raid of the six-vessel flotilla, after no more than a cursory word with the prime minister who was then visiting Canada. He did not put members of the security-political cabinet in the picture, or even Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon who was standing in for Netanyahu.
All the same, none of the ministers are in a hurry to endorse a probe that might fatally destabilize the government they serve. debkafile’s Washington sources report that Obama administration is also delaying a decision in order to punish Netanyahu and please Erdogan. He also hopes to use the controversy over the inquiry as a lever to free Hamas (which is incidentally listed by the US as a terror group) of the Israeli blockade.
Washington has already made its first move to that end by recalling the US army engineers building Egypt’s siege wall during Vice President Joe Biden’s talks with Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak at Sharm el Sheikh and meetings with officials in Cairo Tuesday and Wednesday, June 8-9.
Reporting to the Vice President, the American engineers’ commanders and their Egyptian military colleagues painted a bleak picture of the troubles dogging their efforts to building a steel wall for blocking the arms-smuggling tunnels into Gaza.

They reported they had thwarted at every turn by amas engineers, actively assisted by Iranian, Syrian and Hizballah experts, who had managed to infiltrate the Gaza Strip through the contraband tunnels.

Hamas buried giant burners 18 meters below the surface of the sand to melt the steel wall’s foundations; its operatives then made off with the steel plates and used them to build their own fortifications.
During his talks in Cairo, Biden decided to give up on that project as well as another in the planning stage: A huge pump and pipeline for flooding the tunnels with Mediterranean water. The Vice president and Egyptian officials ended up discussing re-opening the Gaza crossings for people and goods and using European and Egyptian monitors to filter out weapons and terrorists from shore stations.
debkafile’s military sources report this plan harks back to the failed arrangements brokered by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in 2005 after Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and which never worked. The European monitors fled their posts after Hamas and other radical Palestinian groups started shooting at them. The situation now is even more dangerous, because foreign monitors would have to contend additionally with the new al Qaeda cells which have since sprung up in the southern Gaza Strip.
What Biden is proposing now is to virtually abandon US and Egyptian attempts to block the arms smuggling tunnels altogether – a proposal, debkafile’s military sources predict, will bring to an end the Israel-Egyptian blockade of Gaza and allow Hamas to resume its unfettered arms imports through those tunnels.
In those circumstances, the pressure on Israel to end its sea blockade will be unrelenting. The Netanyahu government may have no option but to compromise by agreeing to let cargo ships, including Iranian vessels, through, with European monitors stationed on Gaza’s shore to inspect incoming freights.
As recently as Sunday, Netanyahu vowed not to allow an Iranian port to be established in the Gaza Strip. By Wednesday, he looked as though he would have to eat his words.

http://www.debka.com/article/8843/

It is now clear that Obama is behind Erdogan. The aim is to destroy Israel as soon as is possible and as the crisis in capitalism intensifies so will the alliance between Imperialism and reactionary Nazi Islam and Sharia Law, with the Vatican tagging along or in the lead, be intensified

In answer to Ted Belman and Israpundit and his reactionary flunkeys there

The answer is to end the capitalist system because no matter who is in power in the White House it will be the same for the Jews and Israel.

Jews must adopt the revolutionary socialist road to save their race and culture.

4INTERNATIONAL SAYS

1. A UNITED FRONT TO DEFEND NETANYAHU AND HIS GOVERNMENT FROM THIS INTOLERABLE AMERICAN IMPERIALIST INTERVENTION IN A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY

2. THERE MUST BE NO INQUIRY HELD CERTAINLY AMERICA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

3. THE REVOLUTIONARY SOCIALIST MOVEMENT MUST BE BUILT AND MUST EXPOSE THE ROLE OF OBAMA BEHIND THE NAZI ERDOGAN, INCLUDING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE NAZI ISLAMIST CLERICAL FASCIST IHH WHICH LED THE FLOTILLA

4. GROUPS LIKE ISRAPUNDIT AND JIHADWATCH MUST STOP SUPPORTING AMERICAN IMPERIALISM

FINALLY ISRAEL MUST MAINTAIN THE BLOCKADE AGAINST HAMAS AND MUST EXPOSE THE ROLE OF THE SPANISH ARMY IN ALLOWING HISBULLAH FULL FREEDOM TO REARM WITH VAST ROCKETRY

HOW CAN BELMAN AND ISRAPUNDIT PRINT PHYLLIS CHESLER?

by Jim Stephens

June 9, 2010

The man without real principles Ted Belman has on his site Israpundit an article by Phyllis Chesler. Why? Why carry any article by this woman at all if you do not carry her past slander against the great Serb people, fellow sufferers of the Jews in the Holocaust? Why do that Belman?

This is what Chesler wrote back then:

The monster was hiding in plain sight–working as a holistic healer, a health guru. I am talking about Dr. Radovan Karadzic of course who has finally been captured by his own people, not because his crimes repulsed them, (he was viewed as a hero), but rather in the hope that his capture and extradition to the Hague might soften their image as a rogue nation and lead to an economically profitable membership in the European Union.

The man, nay the fiend, is a psychiatrist and as luck would have it, I actually knew a woman who once was his patient. She was an educated Muslim woman, married to a Christian man, in a time when Belgrade prided itself on its sophistication and tolerance.

How could Karadzic turn on Muslims who were once his patients? (How could Nazi doctors turn on their Jewish patients and teachers? How could Mengele do what he did? How could the British-based Muslim doctors try to blow up the Glasgow airport?)

http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/07/23/dr-karadzic-i-presume-the-monster-as-healer/

That is enough to get a flavour of Phyllis Chesler.

Here Chesler lined up with the enemy, the Islamists of Ahmadinejad, and did so because that was the policy and programme of American Imperialism, WHICH SHE REPRESENTS.

Now Belman forgets that Chesler likened the Serbs and Karadzic to the Nazis and carries an article by Chesler where she is interacting with Israeli wounded soldiers.

WHICH CHARGES CHESLER NEVER WITHDREW

As in this piece

And thus, these heroes continue to show us what truly matters; they continue to teach us how to respond to danger, suffering, and to profound loss.

According to Chabad Rabbi Uriel Vigler, “The Rebbe once wrote a letter to a wounded Israeli soldier. He said that ‘you may have a medal which you’ll keep in a box. But your true medal of honor is on your body. It is permanent as is your merit for having saved Am Yisrael.”

Rabbi Vigler’s idea was to make a “small but memorable contribution to these heroes of Am Yisrael, who have quite literally put their lives on the line in the continued effort of securing Israel.” He told me that the soldiers are “so excited, they are loving every minute here and the outpouring of community support, especially given the recent confrontation with Gaza, is amazing.”

Vigler observed one the soldiers who had difficulty feeding himself because he had lost a hand—and because his other hand was broken. The rabbi must have looked concerned. The soldier consoled him. “Don’t worry, it was worth giving up my hands for Am Yisrael.”

According to Vigler, today, one of the soldiers laughed for the first time in two years—so said his companions. He laughed at the wax figures at Madame Tussauds.

Congregation Orach Chaim (OC) will host a dessert reception for the soldiers on Shabbat, June 12th, from 5-7:30pm. President Jamie Lassner of OC told me: “We are very excited to welcome these heroes to Orach Chaim, especially at this most difficult time for our homeland. I am certain that we will all walk away awed by their strength of character and humbled by their courage. I hope that we are all invigorated to l’taken olam, to do something to better the world. We at OC have always been thankful to our US Military and also to the members of the IDF, those currently serving and those who have served in the past, as it is they who have protected us and our peoples’ ability to freely worship and serve Hashem.”

Some say that Israel’s military victories and heroic warriors have faded into history and are no more. I strongly disagree. The kind of courage now required to keep on fighting for Jewish and national survival—knowing that this fight is probably one that your children, grandchildren, maybe even your great-grandchildren will also still be fighting, requires even more courage and determination, not less.

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/23757#more-23757

Thatis the thing about Belman. No principle.

In the above Chesler is posing as a friend of Israel, and even worse as a friend of Israeli wounded soldiers.

But Chesler never did answer the charges that 4international did level against her for her Nazi attacks on the Serbs

The question for Belman is

Is it possible for somebody who slanders the Serbs and calls them Nazis, thus supporting the real Nazi Ahmadinejad who was the colleague of Hajj Amin el Husseini

…Also pose as a friend of Israel?

Eh Belman! Eh Chesler!

See

https://4international.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/the-serbs-massacred-nobodythere-were-no-bodies-to-find/

REJECT THE PESSIMISM OF BELMAN TYPES AND FIGHT FOR A NEW FUTURE

by Felix Quigley

June 9, 2010

ONLY 4INTERNATIONAL TAKES THESE POSITIONS. 4INTERNATIONAL IS THE ONLY REVOLUTIONARY SOCIALIST LEADERSHIP IN EXISTENCE TODAY

4international, all of our members, every little fibre of our organization, stands totally behind the great Israeli people in these hours.

We defend unconditionally every move that the Israeli Government and leaders make and will make to defend their country against the world Fascism orchestrated by Obama

The following report by DEBKAfile is correct in every detail. It is especially correct when it details how the Israeli Government is complacent, in tow to the world antisemites etc.

This spirit of DEBKA is in total contrast to the likes of Israpundit and Ted Belman who called “not to criticise Israel”. Total bullshit Belman! We criticise from the position of all out militancy against the enemy!

Every second of the lives of Israelis NOW must be to prepare for war.

If Israelis are not doing that as we speak then they are living in a fools world. There comes a time when action is needed and what Israel does, or does not do, is going to be decisive.

As Debkafile says

(Iran´s ships ready for clash with Israel)

http://www.debka.com/article/8842/

An Iranian sea convoy will back up the Turkish campaign to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza.

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad assured Turkish leaders whom he met in Istanbul Tuesday, Jan. 8 that the vessels due to enter the disputed waters within days will not shrink from a head-on clash with Israel’s Navy and Air Force exclusion forces.

“We’ll breach the Gaza blockade,” the Iranian president vowed. The Iranian Red Crescent vessels will carry “volunteer marines” of the Revolutionary Guards “who will teach the Israelis a lesson.”

 
Tehran’s “humanitarian convoy” for Gaza will consist of three Iranian vessels flying Red Crescent flags.

debkafile’s intelligence sources report that he promised Turkish leaders to attach Iranian warships and submarines to the Red Crescent ships for their voyage through the Red Sea, the Suez Canal and into the Mediterranean. For some months, one or two Iranian submarines have been deployed in the Mediterranean using Syrian naval port facilities.

The showdown between Turkey and Israel, said Ahmadinejad, “will change many issues in the world and mark the final countdown for Israel’s existence. It shows that it has no room in the region and no one is ready to live alongside it.”

British Foreign Secretary William Hague condemned Iran’s plan to send aid boats to Gaza, warning that the move would deliberately aggravate an already tense situation. “It is not helpful, and probably it is not designed to be helpful, he said.
Russian Prime Pinister Vladimir Putin, for his part, promised to join Ankara in bringing the Israeli attack on the Turkish flotilla before the United Nations.
The Iranian and Turkish leaders meeting in Istanbul Monday and Tuesday  finalized a plan to synchronize the flotilla’s approach to Gaza’s shores with the UN Security Council vote on sanctions against Iran, whereupon Turkey, Brazil and Lebanon, who are SC members, will halt the procedure and turn the session around to the unfolding sea battle between Iran and Israel. The sanctions vote will be buried by the sounds of war.
Monday, June 7, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton predicted “Iran would pull some stunt in the next couple of days” to divert attention from the unity within the Security Council.
According to our sources, the Iranian convoy will consist of a cargo ship loaded with food and other essentials, medicines and building materials; the second will carry the “volunteer” marines; and the third will be a floating hospital to be anchored permanently in Egyptian Mediterranean territorial waters opposite the divided Gaza-Egyptian town of Rafah. Small boats will ferry patients between Gaza and the hospital ship.

Tehran calculates that the Israeli navy will not attack boats carrying sick people and will be constrained from venturing into Egyptian territorial waters to hit the floating hospital. By this means, Tehran will dismantle Israel’s sea blockade while also gaining a military presence off the shores of Gaza.

AS details of this scheme are drawn up in Istanbul, Israeli leaders are spending hour of hour, day after day, quibbling over the format of an inquiry commission for studying the legal aspects of the hapless commando raid they ordered against the Mavi Marmara on May 31.
Have they formed any plans for countering the Iranian-Turkish scheme to drive Tehran’s flotilla through the Gaza blockade? And if so, where will the interception take place? On the Red Sea, where the Iranian Navy has a large presence, at the entrance to the Gulf of Suez or close to Gaza?

 
An Israel operation against Iranian vessels on any of these sea lanes would pose formidable difficulties.

4international agree very much with DEBKA

They are absolutely correct to call the raid on the Mavi Marmara “HAPLESS”

Right also in referring to this stupid Israeli regime as wasting time haggling over an “inquiry”

So let us state a few things:

The raid was wrong in every detail.

  1. The ship should have been sunk. Action speaks much louder than words. The warning should have been that the ship be sunk and that Turkey and the Arabs, the stupid fucking English as well if they wish, should rescue the swimming antisemites from that sinking naval antisemitic shithole.
  2. That would have taken the smirk off the mug of Erdogan, and his master in the White House, the Black anti-Semite Obama

 

Yes do use that word “Black anti-Semite” because that is what he is

Israel is in the middle of the war. It is not that war is coming. Israel is IN the war.

THE SECOND THING WE SAY IS DIRECTED TO ISRAPUNDIT, FAUX JEWISH SITE, the faux Jewish site which poses as friend of Israel

We reject the pessimism of Belman (Ted Belman) long time sneak leader of Israpundit, who stabs his friends in the back (me, Nathan Pearlstein, now in the latest episode Bill Narvey)

And who is Laura we ask of Belman? What is the second and full name of this person?

Understand Belman we on 4international oppose the promotion of people who we do not know something about.

What Belman is the full name and history of this fiend to the Jewish people, calling himself Yamit82, who attacks Bill Narvey now in most scandalous fashion?

While you Belman are silent!

Anyway back to post Marmaris and we reject your utter ball less pessimism

SO WHY DOES 4INTERNATIONAL REJECT AND OPPOSE THE PESSIMISM OF BELMAN???

Because Mr Ted Belman the world post Marmaris is NOT the way that you reflect it in your boring articles and comments.

There are millions of ordinary people who can be won to the Jewish Israeli cause.

The only problem is the absence of an organized leadership that is able to answer the anti-Semitic world Media.

But the exact same thing happened the Serbs and you Belman allowed this Yamit82 to continually tell his sordid lies against the Serbs

TED BELMAN YOU GAVE YAMIT82 A PLATFORM TO LIE SLANDEROUSLY AGAINST THE SERBS. WORST OF ALL YOU DO NOT TELL US WHO THIS BASTARD ACTUALLY IS.

We on 4international are not in the slightest little bit pessimistic, about anything.

The people of Israel are going to fight. A new leadership can be found with imput from the great party of the 4international. Not though from or through your pessimism Belman

And the people of my country Ireland can be won to the side of Israel.

And the people of every European country too.

And the great American people.

Also the people of South America with their great traditions of liberty.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, africa etc Sure

But that means building the 4international now, not next week, now. So write urgently to me on the below comment and mark it private, or shout it from the heavens, but do it now