Irish hatred for Israel betrays the Irish republican struggle
The Trotskyist movement in Ireland as represented by us on this site must be expanded rapidly in order to fight against the deep Antisemitism that is running through the Jihadist and Stalinist/Revisionist movements and indeed through the whole of capitalist society worldwide. But we refer here mainly to Ireland.
We are independent from all other political movements including Jewish movements but we do fight in soldiarity with the latter.
The purpose of this article is to point out two things
1. the great hubbub about the state of Israel taking under its wing about a square mile or a Little less of land
2. the initial promise by the League of Nations to the Jews in 1922 which was far bigger than present day Israel
The leading purveyor of Antisemitism is THE MEDIA and this Antisemitism was clearly on show and proved when it published the HAMAS figures for dead and injured during the recent Gaza War.
This was a deeply Antisemitic action to take and will never be forgiven by us Trotskyists in Ireland who do two things: we defend Jews against Antisemitism and we always stand for truthful discourse
So this is what these scumbags on an Irish website have written on this land issue:
“ISRAEL HAS CLAIMED nearly 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in the West Bank, in what is understood to be the biggest such seizure in decades.
Local authorities in the Gush Etzion area, south of Bethlehem, said the decision to establish new settlements there was a response to the killing of three Jewish teenagers there in June.
Their kidnapping and deaths sparked 50 days of violence between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza strip, which killed 2,138 Palestinians, and 68 Israelis, before an indefinite ceasefire last week.
A US State Department official has condemned the land seizure, telling Reuters it was “counterproductive to Israel’s stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians.”
“We urge the government of Israel to reverse the decision,” the official added.
Peace Now, a group which opposed Israeli settlements, said authorities planned to seize 990 acres near the existing settlement of Gevaot, west of Bethlehem.”
http://www.thejournal.ie/israel-land-seizure-west-bank-settlements-1648124-Sep2014/
TO UNDERSTAND FULLY THE LIE THAT ISRAEL GRABS LAND JUST LOOK AT THIS MAP
All of these Arab states in the map above have been gained by the Arab people. They started with a couple of states and they now have 22 very rich states. ALL SINCE 1922
THE MEDIA IGNORES THE TINYNESS AND VULNERABILITY OF ISRAEL
SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW ISRAEL HAS BECOME HATED
SOME THOUGHTS ON ANTISEMITISM
The growth of this Antisemitism is a product of maany things but in the world in general it is partly oil. The world of capitalism has been sucking up to rich oil essentially.
The Catholic Church in Ireland has always been basically secular since the times of Paul Cullen. With the decline of the Catholic Church in Ireland its place in rural Ireland has been taken over by the also secular Sinn Fein of today. Not such a big leap considering they are both essentially secular (the same type of secularism meaning separation of state and religión)
This is where the Antisemitism is coming from. It comes from Sinn Fein, this replacement of Catholic Church power. That replacement of Catholic Church by Sinn Fein today is complete
THE FOLLOWING MAP IS A GOOD ONE. THE SPLIT ALONG THE RIVER WAS MADE BY THE BRITISH. INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORY FURTHER PLEASE
EXTRACT STARTS HERE
“The Mandate system was instituted by the League of Nations in the early 20th century to administer non-self-governing territories. The mandatory power, appointed by an international body, was to consider the mandated territory a temporary trust and to see to the well-being and advancement of its population.
In July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing “the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine,” Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterwards, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
The British Mandate authorities granted the Jewish and Arab communities the right to run their internal affairs; thus the yishuv established the Elected Assembly and the National Council. The economy expanded, a Hebrew education network was organized and cultural life flourished.
The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.
After the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine on November 29, 1947, Britain announced the termination of its Mandate over Palestine, to take effect on May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate3.HTML
NOW WE RETURN TO THE JOURNAL.IE
A RECENT ARTICLE DREW A WHOLE HEAP OF JIHADISTS
THIS EXTRACT IS FAIRLY LONG SO PLEASE JUST SKIM IT AND PERHAPS KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. YOU WILL SEE THESE PRESENT DAY IRISH ANTISEMITES AND JIHADISTS OF THE LEFT AT WORK
BEGIN EXTRACTS HERE (SAME AS URL ABOVE)
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William Ruane Sep 1 7:46 AM #
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Obama and EU warns and threatens Putin, but ‘urges’ Israel to reconsider its decision….hmmmm
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SeekingUniverslTruth Sep 1 8:58 AM #
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the three teens were executed by israel in a filthy false flag operation.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 9:16 AM #
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Any evidence or do you routinely spread lies?
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Paul Courtney Sep 1 9:20 AM #
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Enough. I was on the fence till now. Thought one side was as bad as the other but this land grab has decided me.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 9:31 AM #
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And what are the full details of the alleged ‘land grab”? Do you ACTUALLY know are are you prepared to simply accept whatever you are fed?
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Paul Courtney Sep 1 9:51 AM #
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Murray, try searching for “Israel land seizure west bank”.
Today’s articles from independent. Co.UK. timrsofisrael.com haarezt.com. rte.ie Huffington post.com. Washington post.com nytimes.com to mention a few.
Do you think they all lying?
Even Israel’s own newspaper web sites?
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Emily Elephant Sep 1 9:58 AM #
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The false flag stuff really doesn’t add up. If Israel kept doing this, upped its rate a bit and seized 1000 acres every 3 months, it would take 1400 years, 380,000 dead Israelis and 12 million dead Palestinians to settle the West Bank. While I credit the Israelis with a longer view than, say, Fine Gael, I doubt any plans which are that elaborate.
I don’t doubt that their ultimate goal is the annexation of the larger chunk of the West Bank.
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John Rabbett Sep 1 10:03 AM #
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Murray see the attached link, Israeli news sources reporting 988 acres taken from 5 Palestinian villages. “The move clears the way for construction of a new settlement named Gvaot” according to the news website below. And it doesn’t matter what their reason the detail behind the, they have taken land which isn’t theirs.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613319
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Mr Phil Officer Sep 1 10:07 AM #
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Murray it would be counterproductive to annex the whole of the West Bank or Gaza, Israel needs to keep the “enemy at the gates” like all the super powers they need a live fire battle field to keep troops battle ready. Occupy, antagonise and then blame the natives through the media to keep their own populace and military wound up nice and tight with an appetite for war.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 10:33 AM #
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I can see lots of articles, some of which are maliciously labelled land grab, but no detailed, high resolution mapping that clearly defines exactly what is proposed, and where. Or who it will directly affect, or whether there are existing owners, or whether the land is under agriculture, or…
Israel operates under rule of law and from the little I could glean this morning, this decision has been overseen by the judiciary.
It’s all very well coming out in protest, but what are you actually protesting? Or is it simply that the media have called it a land grab and this has automatically set up a knee jerk reaction to all those who hate Israel?
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Were Jammin Sep 1 10:40 AM #
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Israeli media are reporting it, both left and right wing Murray. This isn’t the states, people bother to check information. Fail
“Israel operates under rule of law ”
And that puts the rest of your hasbara in context. israel regularly wipes its ar$e with both international and humanitarian law.
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John Rabbett Sep 1 10:49 AM #
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Murray, What difference does it make what the land is used for, it is not Israel’s land. Have Israel taken the land? and please note its a Yes or No question.
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Mr Phil Officer Sep 1 10:51 AM #
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Murray Israel violated international law and need to be held to account, the old testament is not the law and the argument that commentators are anti Israeli is an old one now. I don’t hate Israel and I think most Irish people understand and sympathise with the plight of the Palestinian people because of our own history in fact most people Irish or otherwise would be horrified to see a grown man beat and murder a child never mind a well trained and equipped military bombarding their houses and killing them in their beds, that’s not war its an extermination. No army should target civilians.
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Kp Gumbo Sep 1 11:05 AM #
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Jesus but you are a moron !!!
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Ailbhe O’Nolan Sep 1 11:08 AM #
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Murrays got the blinkers on.
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FMan Sep 1 11:15 AM #
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‘SeekingUniversalTruth. Making silly assertions about Israel murdering its own citizens does not advance the cause of peace and an agreed settlement in the area.
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De Wit Sep 1 11:16 AM #
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Why are any of you arguing with murray? Under no circumstances will he ever admit the rogue state has done wrong, have a read of this
http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/you-happening-letter-israeli-friend/
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Michelle Rogers Sep 1 11:17 AM #
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We need to keep our own government on track too – here is our Department of Foreign Affairs statement on Gaza: https://www.dfa.ie/our-role-policies/our-work/casestudiesarchive/2014/july/situation-in-gaza-and-israel-irelands-position/
“Ireland wants to see a permanent and sustainable ceasefire, the lifting of the blockade on Gaza which is at the root cause of this devastating conflict and ultimately the establishment of a two-state solution which is based on the borders of 1967.”
If this really is our position, then we need to be clear that our craven relationship with the USA will not interfere with this position – letting USA war jets fly over Dublin is not a great way to do that.
I hope to hear our Government publicly denounce this latest land grab.
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Colm O’Brien Sep 1 11:26 AM #
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Murray,
The rule of law you refer to operates like this: the military go to court and say it’s vital for Israel’s security that we have that land to make this road or whatever and the court says ok.
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Sean O’Keeffe Sep 1 11:42 AM #
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There is a great difference between the rule of law (observed by democracies) and rule by law (common to tyrannical administrations).
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M Bowe Sep 1 11:59 AM #
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Olive oil is currently being harvested on this land by the Palestinian owners. As for the death of the 3 teenagers being cause of this illegal land grab, tenders for construction of 1000 Israeli homes was issued for this area last year.
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Paul Maguire Sep 1 12:19 PM #
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It is toltally wrong what Israel is doing no matter what spin you want put on it
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Ablitive Sep 1 12:19 PM #
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Definately a false flag operation and a pretext to ground invade Gaza (Which incidentally occurred simultaneously on the same day as MH17 hoax)
BTW………. Where are the feet?

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De Wit Sep 1 12:24 PM #
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http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/watch-us-broadcaster-mike-malloy-wipes-the-floor-with-israel-apologists/
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RP McMurphy Sep 1 12:43 PM #
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The land belongs to five Palestinian villages of Jaba, Sur’if, Wadi Fuk’in, Husan and Nahal’in according to Haaretz.
The proposal is to ‘create territorial continuity between the Green Line and the settlements of Beitar Ill it, K’far Etzi’on and Gvaot’.
I think when you appropriate 1000 acres belonging to someone else, then the law should act to protect those who are disenfranchised no matter who your international friends are. And this is on top of 245 acres appropriated from Palestine last April!
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Paul Sep 1 12:54 PM #
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maybe they were blown to bits and poured from a wheelbarrow onto them stretchers
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Brian McCarthy Sep 1 1:18 PM #
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You won’t hear any meaningful condemnation from our spineless government. Ireland is open for business but it’s not open to supporting the plight of the palestinians. Boycott Israel!!
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holden mcgroin Sep 1 2:03 PM #
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“Israel operates under the rule of law” hahahahahahahahahaha.
Israel has broken more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein, Quadaffi and North Korea put together. And as for a “civilized” nation that uses flechettes on women and children don’t get me started. You are a propagandist Murray. An Israeli propagandist.
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Zoe Daly Sep 1 2:10 PM #
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agree Brian,
Ireland is open for business with Israel alright. You won’t hear a peep from our government. Quiet as mice.
Millions apparently spent in arms export to Israel in past few years. Interesting considering the allegiances of our last Minister for Defence!!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/state-approved-euro64m-in-israel-arms-exports-283664.html
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twooggy Sep 1 2:23 PM #
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Murray’s an idiot!
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Ailbhe O’Nolan Sep 1 3:10 PM #
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Murray wouldn’t know the truth if it hit him in the face. The Israelis ciuld march into his house, boot him out and claim it as their own and he would still deny any wrong doing or that it even happened.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 5:06 PM #
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Paul, please check out this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.
http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/
FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 5:09 PM #
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John,
Haaretz is the Israeli newspaper that informs the Guardian and BBC – i.e., not my idea of balanced reporting. However, I was waiting to get more info and as you’ve had the courtesy to respond, can I direct you to this link, which is what I was looking/waiting for.
http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/
FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 5:11 PM #
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Please see the link – it IS Israel land and the story you’ve been fed is intended to stir up trouble, where none exists.
http://jcpa.org/israels-988-acres-of-west-bank-territory/
FWIW, I think Israel’s timing is idiotic.
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Were Jammin Sep 1 5:26 PM #
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@ murray. Your links to ‘prove’ that the land belongs to israel point to an israeli organisation headed up by netenyahus former foreign policy advisor.
Comical. Pathetic yet comical.
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Chris Mcdonnell Sep 1 6:34 PM #
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So Michele prematch entertainment at croke park is letting the Americans walk all over us? Do us a favour and join IS I’ll drive you to the airport
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Sean O’Keeffe Sep 1 6:59 PM #
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“I think the timing is idiotic.”
There’s never really a good time to engage in land theft and the provocation of a subjugated people into rebellion against their oppressor.
” The British Government believes that Israeli settlements on occupied territory are illegal. So does every other government in the world, except for Israel.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7708244.stm
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Oran Burns Sep 1 7:00 PM #
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They don’t target civilians.
If they did then they are not very good at it!
Hamas operate from heavily densely populated civilian areas and put their own people in the firing line.
But you won’t hear that on sky news.
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John Rabbett Sep 1 7:21 PM #
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Murray, I find it interesting that you can have such faith in an article on that has no author attached to it, when other blogs on the site have authors attached. That’s usually a sign of a lack of faith in the author in what they are writing.
You complain about a lack of balanced reporting from Haaretz, yet one of the Experts at the JCPA
Nadav Shragai wrote for that paper for 27 years.
Six out of the ten of the Experts are ex IDF( most of them with high Ranks).
The rest have had roles high up in the Government.
Its looking like all the Experts are Jewish.
Now how can they possibly provide a balanced response.
In fact, its an IDF led propaganda tool. Look back at the blogs not one mention of the fact that Israel bombed UN schools. The blogs show only one side of the story. So I ask how can you think they provide a balanced view
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John Rabbett Sep 1 7:24 PM #
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Oran, it does not matter if they do or do not target civilians, the fact is they hit them, and that should be the issue not that whether or not they target them.
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Oran Burns Sep 1 10:13 PM #
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John it does matter. It matters a huge deal as intent to do harm is a serious crime!
When an army is drawn into urban guerrilla warfare in a heavily densely populated area where the attackers hide amongst civilians in schools, mosques, UN shelters and homes….tragic and awful things happen.
I should add that every loss of Palestinian or Israeli innocent life is a tragedy.
But Hamas are the ones picking a fight and they see loss of life in a holy war as an act of service to God.
So they put women and children in the firing line.
It’s a dirty war tactic which needs to be exposed for what it is.
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John Rabbett Sep 1 10:43 PM #
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So knowing that Hamas put women and children in the line of fire the IDF still choose to fire on them. Yes its a dirty tactic, but even when the IDF were warned they were firing to close to UN shelters they kept firing. Both Hamas and IDF are guilty of using dirty tactics. Bear in mind that Israelis were so concerned that they took months to notice that one of their bomb shelters inside the zone being attacked by Hamas was turned into a Casino…
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 11:40 PM #
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John, I don’t have a problem with its authorship because the information simply makes sense to me. There were 3 areas agreed at Oslo – the one being discussed happens to be in Area C.
With regard to the UN schools, presumably you have read why UN schools were targeted, when they were targeted. You’ve presumably seen footage from Italian, French and Indian news teams that show missiles being launched from civilian areas, in one instance immediately adjacent to a UN facility.
I entirely share your horror at the deaths and injuries and the homelessness that has resulted from this conflict. Having lived and worked in Israel over many years, Israelis do not live their lives hoping to destroy Palestinians or make their lives harder. At one time, before the 2nd intifada, there was so much interaction between Israelis and Palestinians. They worked together, shopped in each others businesses, constructed homes together and shared lives. After the 2nd intifada that stopped completely, except in places like Haifa which has a big mixed Jewish and Muslim/Christian Arab population.
Unless you live there and experience the intensity of life, both good and bad, you cannot begin to understand what drives the narrative in Israel and the Palestinian territories. The Palestinians have so much to gain if they could only try to see past 45 years of hostile programming. It might be possible with Fatah and the PA. It won’t happen with Hamas – they are ideologically unable to negotiate with Israel, so I really don’t know the way forward.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 11:56 PM #
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I have spoken to guys who went into Gaza for Cast Lead. They said it was like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. The IDF may not fire on civilians so when they come across a Hamas operative firing at them from behind a child or woman, they have to back away. I know this is not the narrative you’ve been told, but its true, nevertheless. I don’t doubt there are some rogue soldiers as in any army who will take the law into their own hands, but if they do and they are found out, Israeli military prisons are not good places to be.
WRT those Israelis who sat on a hill, watching the glow from explosions and cheering, when you have spent the past 12 years frequently having to dive into bomb shelters to avoid rockets and now mortar shells, the people across the border are viewed as very much the enemy and those people on the hill are glad to see that enemy getting a pasting. Its a normal human reaction, but does not mean that when some of the enemy come across the border in desperate need of medical attention, they don’t get that attention in Israeli hospitals.
Last November I shared a Tel Aviv hospital room with 2 other guys, one of whom was a Gazan (and his wife), who was getting medical aid for his terminal cancer. He had the same care and attention and food as we did. Hope you can acknowledge that.
Seems to me that a great deal of the hatred some Irish people feel for Israel stems from their identification with the Palestinians as suffering as did the Irish under the British. While there are some common causes, the two stories are really not the same. In fact, early Israelis had good reason to bitterly hate the English, but thats another story.
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Dummy Crusher Sep 3 12:15 AM #
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Paid Hasbara Puppet!
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Peter Slattery Sep 1 7:33 AM #
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And so wee see the true goal of the Israeli government and the Z word. Nothing they do is in the interest of security and the safety of their citizens. They just crave land.
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Niall H Sep 1 7:49 AM #
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It’s like watching ‘the field’ only they’ve bigger beards and in this case the yank does the murdering.
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SeekingUniverslTruth Sep 1 9:00 AM #
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Drum roll
Ladies and the Gentlemen
The analogy of the year goes to………….Niaaalllllllll H
*rapturous applause…………..standing ovation……………..
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SeekingUniverslTruth Sep 1 9:15 AM #
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i just read that again niall…….clsss lmfao
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 9:21 AM #
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At its centre, Israel is 9 miles wide, from the sea to the West Bank. If Israel just,’craved land’, they would have annexed the entire West Bank by now, not withdrawn from Gaza, or returned the Sinai to Egypt.
Security for its citizens is very much at the forefront of every governments’ mind. Israel is no different.
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SeekingUniverslTruth Sep 1 9:31 AM #
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security is such a quaint term for murder
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Peter Slattery Sep 1 9:56 AM #
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Keep shilling, Murray.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 10:34 AM #
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So are security guards by your definition, murderers?
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D H Sep 1 11:01 AM #
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Murray israel not only crave the land but they also dont want to end up a pariah. They have long figured that slow and steady is how to achieve this without ending up like sourh africa. And the international community idly by watching and seemingly supporting the ethnic cleansing of palestine to make way for the jewish israel
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Were Jammin Sep 1 11:18 AM #
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@ murray: “So are security guards by your definition, murderers?”
They are if they’re conscripted to the IDF and then shell UN shelters where innocent women and children are hiding in fear of their lives, as we just witnessed multiple times.
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De Wit Sep 1 11:35 AM #
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People that deliberately kill innocent people are murderers, it doesn’t matter what their job is or how many lies they tell about not meaning to do it.
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Zoe Daly Sep 1 11:44 AM #
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Its not just about land. Its about water supplies as well. Israel is claiming all the best land that contains water supplies, streams or wells. They are leaving the arid desert to the Palestinians.
Obama is afraid of the powerful Jewish lobby, because they control America. They run the film, media, entertainment and communications industries. They make or break who so ever they chose, and they have a significant voice in who becomes US President.
But Israel has gone too far this time. It is a rogue state that is out of control, in complete defiance of international law. The US, & the rest of the international community, will have to find the courage to make a stand.
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fergal barry Sep 1 7:45 AM #
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Isn’t land grabbing something the Nazis did and we are still hearing how terrible it was for the Jew ish. . And the Holocaust. How come Israel thinks it’s ok for them to now do it.. A very short memory. Sickening.
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Glen Sep 1 7:50 AM #
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Today’s political zi0nists have nothing in common with those who died in hitlers camps but more with hitler himself.
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SeanieRyan Sep 1 8:53 AM #
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Look at what they did to the Black Jews from Ethiopa, they gave them contraceptives via injection and told them they were Hep shots etc.
What is that but straight from Germany of the 30′s. They have become what they most hate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 9:40 AM #
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When the Nazis grabbed land, we are talking about world domination. From the west coast of France to almost Moscow in the east, the arctic circle to the Sahara in the south.
Israel is 9 miles wide at its centre, from the sea to the West Bank. It’s returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Gazans.
But you still feel able to compare the two? And 330 geniuses think you are right? Thankfully I know many Irish people who have a deeper understanding than you and your online friends.
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John Rabbett Sep 1 9:47 AM #
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Now that is just sick… The fact that they don’t even try to justify it says an awful lot..
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Miguel O’Reilly Sep 1 9:55 AM #
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you really have no idea Murray do you? mass murder, land grab, propaganda machine spouting nonsense. where have we seen this all before eh?
only difference this time is the US are arming them to carry out these atrocities
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DN Sep 1 9:59 AM #
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@murray. Before this Irish state was born we have seen murder and land grab from occupying forces. Dont tell us Irish that we dont understand. We know damn well what its like to live under an oppressive regeme. Spout your propoganda elswhere, shill.
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Murray Freedman Sep 1 10:37 AM #
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So no actual reply to my post – just more name calling? Well I guess that just shows how lacking in answers you are.
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