The discussion on the very important Israpundit site has been hijacked by a clique surrounding a person calling himself Yamit82, also involved is a person calling himself Bernard Ross and there are others, all forming an obvious clique.


This is indeed sad because there is need for open and fair discussion at this time.


The editor Ted Belman is clearly not in agreement with this clique. Belman performs a very useful service by airing a wide range of topics on Israpundit but discussion has now become arguably impossible.


You can see this clearly on


Anyway I wanted to make that clear to our readers on


I wanted to send all our support to Ted Belman and Israpundit. We have the same aim which is for Jews to be able to live unmolested by Antisemitism.


One of the strange themes that this clique on Israpundit developed in recent years (which was pushed especially by Robinson) was that the Arab Spring and all the in-fighting among Arabs actually, he said, strengthened Israel.


Robinson kept on at this week after week.


This also led to a strengthening of the Yamit82 person who called for Israel to take up no position on Egypt, that is not to defend Mubarak, leading on to not supporting General el-Sisi in his present suppression of the Muslim Brotherhood.


We on 4international thought all of this most strange. Why should Israel not state openly its open and bold support for the suppression of the Muslim Brotherhood, and do so from a position of INDEPENDENCE!


How could Israel being encircled by Fascist Muslim Brotherhood states not weaken Israel, endanger Israel!


In fact read any article on Jihadwatch or on Pamela Geller´s Atlas Shrugs and you will see the opposite to Robinson…they are most worried for Israel.


As just today this on Pamela Geller´s Atlas Shrugs shows that she is most worried!





And the war in Syria spreads to Lebanon. Soon it will engulf the whole Middle East.

Nabil Mounzer / EPA

“Ex-ambassador to US killed in Lebanon bomb blast; four others slain,” NBC News, December 27, 2013

A car bombing in the Lebanese capital Friday targeted a key opponent to Syrian President Bashar Assad. NBC’s Ayman Mohyeldin reports. By Mustafa Kassem and Alastair Jamieson, NBC News




Mark Mardell Saturday, 12 February 2011

Barack Obama looked supremely happy making his speech on the exit of Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak. It was not just that he could complete the one he had started prematurely yesterday. It was not just that, despite all the brickbats that have been thrown at the White House for clumsy handling of this crisis, the administration has got exactly what it has wanted for a couple of weeks: the exit of Mr Mubarak, the entry of the military as caretakers, the promise of democracy, and the absence of violence.

It is more personal, and more political than that. Maybe it is the old community organiser in him, maybe it is the admiring, almost envious, student of the great civil rights leaders, but something tells me few things light him up more than seeing ordinary people overcoming obstacles to seize their own future.

This triumph allowed Mr Obama to revert to the visionary candidate of the campaign, as he did in Tucson after a tragedy.

When he talks about the “moral arc of the universe” you know he is in his element. This is what he is best at. Weaving a selection of facts into a simple story that builds into a grand moral narrative that speaks to his greater vision. He instantly cast the Egyptian revolution as part of a pattern.

“While the sights and sounds that we heard were entirely Egyptian, we can’t help but hear the echoes of history – echoes from Germans tearing down a wall, Indonesian students taking to the streets, Gandhi leading his people down the path of justice. As Martin Luther King said in celebrating the birth of a new nation in Ghana while trying to perfect his own, ‘There is something in the soul that cries out for freedom.’ Those were the cries that came from Tahrir Square, and the entire world has taken note.”

The leader of a country and a capital deeply split on vicious partisan lines could talk of people coming together, despite their differences, in one cause:

“We saw people of faith praying together and chanting – “Muslims, Christians, We are one.” And though we know that the strains between faiths still divide too many in this world and no single event will close that chasm immediately, these scenes remind us that we need not be defined by our differences. We can be defined by the common humanity that we share.”

The commander-in-chief of the most powerful military the world has ever known could talk of the power of non-violence:

“Egyptians have inspired us, and they’ve done so by putting the lie to the idea that justice is best gained through violence. For in Egypt, it was the moral force of non-violence – not terrorism, not mindless killing – but non-violence, moral force that bent the arc of history toward justice once more.”

This day of history brings many years of potential problems for this president and those beyond him. The army will probably embark on the sort of reforms people want, but that is not certain. In free and fair elections, the Egyptian people will not necessarily choose leaders who are friendly to the West or to Israel. Other Middle Eastern autocrats may not be delighted at the thought that Mr Obama might want to bend the moral arc of the universe in their direction.

But there is opportunity between these potential problems. Film stars can adopt foreign orphans, Mr Obama has adopted a foreign revolution, and with it a foreign policy narrative that allows him to restate his core manifesto of inspiration and unity…





To President Barack Obama:

Three years ago, I had the honour of meeting you in the White House as part of a delegation of some 50 human rights defenders from around the world. I was one of three rights defenders who were asked to speak during the 40 minutes out of the 90-minute meeting during which you and your advisors were present.

When it was my turn to address those gathered, I urged you to consider the gulf between the content of your speech to the Arab and Islamic worlds in Cairo in June 2009 and the reality of American policy in February 2010, noting that they seemed separated by much more than simply a few months. In Cairo, you promised to stand by peoples of the region and engage with them, but eight months later your administration’s policy was to turn its back on the people and work instead with local regimes. I discussed three examples of this: Palestine, Yemen and Egypt.

Jokingly, you noted that despite being a guest in the White House, I was audacious enough to criticise the president in his presence. I responded that the act required no courage at all in light of what happens when we try to criticise Arab presidents back home, at which the hall erupted in laughter.

After the Egyptian revolution, I met your commendable human rights advisor Samantha Power and told her it was time for a second Cairo speech. At the time, hopes were high that Egyptians would now be able to work to dramatically improve the human rights situation in the country, and that US policy would support Egyptians in achieving these aspirations.

Now, two years later, neither changes to the human rights situation nor to US policy have fulfilled our hopes. Egyptian young people continue to live in frustration due to the deteriorating economic situation and the repeated failure of political processes to represent their demands, despite the sacrifices that they have made for the sake of the revolution and transition to democracy. Young people taking to the streets to express this frustration continue to be met with violence.

In fact, while people often write their last wills in their 60s or 70s, Egyptian youth in their 20s — who would normally be planning their weddings — have been found carrying freshly penned wills while participating in protests. But these wills are not written to pass on material possessions to their relatives, as most of them own nothing of value and can only offer their lives and their aspirations to live a life of dignity in their own country. Rather, these wills dictate the details of their funerals: Which square will the procession proceed from? Which streets will it pass through? What chants should be heard?

Twenty-three-year-old Mohamed Hussein Al-Qarni, administrator of the “Brotherhood Are Liars” Facebook page, will not be the last of these youth to die. He was shot in the neck and chest on 1 February in a side street near the Ittihadiya Presidential Palace. Since December, the palace environs have witnessed the torture of demonstrators by members of the president’s party, the dragging and beating of protesters by security forces in scenes broadcast around the world, and assassinations. Two prominent cases are those of opposition journalist Mohamed Al-Husseini Abu Deif, who was shot in the head 12 December in front of the palace, and that of Amr Saad, 19, who was also shot in the head in front of the palace in the beginning of February. This violence has also been seen in Tahrir Square. On 20 November, 17-year-old Gaber “Jika” Salah, the administrator of the Together Against the Muslim Brothers Facebook page, was shot in the head with a shotgun. On 31 December, 20-year-old Mohannad Samir, a member of the 6 April Movement, was shot in the head with a shotgun and entered a coma for several days before it finally became clear that he would survive.

Rape, which is recognised internationally as a weapon of war, is now used in Egypt as a political weapon to deter opponents from gathering in Tahrir Square. According to multiple testimonies in recent weeks, the assaults differ radically from the forms of sexual harassment prevalent in Egypt in previous years. According to victims and video footage, female protesters are separated from the demonstrations, taken to other locations, and raped, in what appear to be organised, previously planned attacks. The faces of the assailants show no signs of emotion or sexual excitement. The objective appears to be to break the political will of the victims through profound degradation, whether they are raped, sexually mauled, or stripped entirely of their clothes — if they manage to escape the mob. In more than one case, a knife was used to penetrate the victims’ vaginas, and multiple women underwent hysterectomies after being assaulted. In this context, we can understand the attempted rape of a 70-year-old woman known for her political affiliation as well as the sexual assault of a number of men.

Mr President, when I spoke with you in 2010, I asked why the US administration condemns repressive practices in Iran while remaining silent when Arab regimes engage in the same violations. Over recent months, statements by your administration have similarly failed to address violations and have even blamed protesters and victims for violence committed in the context of demonstrations. Indeed, the stances of your administration have given political cover to the current authoritarian regime in Egypt and allowed it to fearlessly implement undemocratic policies and commit numerous acts of repression.

Statements that “Egypt is witnessing a genuine and broad-based process of democratisation” have covered over and indeed legitimised the undemocratic processes by which the Constituent Assembly passed the new constitution, an issue which has in turn led to greatly heightened instability in the country. Calls for “the opposition [to] remain non-violent” and for “the government and security forces [to] exercise self-restraint in the face of protester violence” have allowed the police and the current Egyptian administration to shirk their responsibilities to secure demonstrations and to respond to the demands of the Egyptian people, and have allowed them to place the blame for violence and instability on protesters themselves. Urging “the opposition [to] engage in a national dialogue without preconditions” undermines the ability of the opposition to play a real role in the decision-making processes of the country, as these “dialogues” seldom result in anything more concrete than a photo-op with the president.

Is it a coincidence that the statements issued by your administration reflect the same political rhetoric used by the new authoritarian regime in Egypt? But when these statements come from the world’s superpower — the one most able to have a positive or negative impact on policies in Egypt and the region, not to mention the biggest donor and material supporter of the Egyptian regime for the past 35 years — they become lethal ammunition, offering political protection to perpetrators of murder, torture, brutality and rape.

I do not write you today to ask you to condemn the repressive policies of the current regime, or to ask you to urge President Mohamed Morsi to “cease” using excessive force and violence against Egyptians, even as your administration was so eager to achieve a ceasefire with Hamas to stop hostilities in Gaza. I write you not to ask for troops to protect political protesters in Egypt, or to suspend, freeze, or reduce military or economic aid to my country, or even to impose conditions on that aid. My request is quite modest: that spokespeople and officials in your administration stop commenting on developments in Egypt. This will no doubt spare your administration much time and effort, but more importantly, it may spare more bloodshed in Egypt, as the current regime will no longer enjoy the political cover that the US administration now offers them. Certainly, Egypt has seen enough bloodshed over the last two years, and Egyptians are tired of being punished for their uprising.

When in December I met Michael Posner, assistant secretary of state for human rights and that rare person in your administration who is motivated by human rights concerns, I asked that he pass on this modest request to administration spokespeople: that as long as they cannot speak the truth about what is happening in Egypt, they keep silent.

Mr President, only a few days ago Egyptians celebrated the second anniversary of their revolution. Meanwhile, the regime commemorated the occasion differently: by re-enacting the scenes of violence and brutality seen during the 18 days of the 2011 uprising, adding the new phenomenon of gang rapes. In one week, more than 60 people died in several governorates, and there were dozens of reported gang rapes and assaults. Hundreds of people were arrested and an unknown number abducted. One of them — 23-year-old Mohamed Al-Guindi — reappeared a few days later in a hospital, brutally tortured, and soon died.

Mr President, I fear that the gulf I spoke to you about three years ago is fast filling up with blood. In this context, further American statements supporting the current Egyptian regime will only lead to more Egyptians being beaten, raped, tortured, and killed. Please, ask officials with your administration to stop talking about Egypt for a while, at least until we can bury our dead, comfort their grieving families, treat the victims of rape and torture, find the disappeared, and read the wills of a new generation of young people who plan not for their weddings but for their funerals.

The writer is director of the Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies.


The task of leadership is to be right before and during the event and not after.

I have to say that small as we were out of all the political tendencies in the world no less only 4international, yes this tiny website, took up a correct position on all of these events.

MILOSEVIC defence of against Clinton, the Hague and the Islamist Izetbegovic


GAGHBO defence of


MUBARAK defence of

Our defence of all of these dictatorial type leaders AGAINST THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD was UNCONDITIONAL. It was based on the well known theory (once well known) that in no condition do you allow the Fascist parties and Leaders to take control of state power. Qaradawi, Morsi and such leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are clearly Fascist, as indeed is Hamas and Fatah!


Tomorrow is the 10th Anniversary of 9.11


The Americans who were murdered in that horrible crime have had their memories betrayed by the American Governments since that fateful and horrific day.


And from 9.11 to today the Jewish people and Israel are facing a new Holocaust as a result of the policies of those American Governments


But it has got even worse with Obama in power, because the defeat of Muammar Gadhafi and of the Egyptian leader Mubarak, by Arab Fascism in league with NATO, has created the most dangerous situation for Jews today (more dangerous than 67, more like 33 with Iran nuclear Bomb threatening always).


That is combined with leaders in Israel, such as Livni, Barak and Netanyahu, who are unable to lead Jews to safety.


The stark situation today, just a day before the Tenth Anniversary, is that in horrific scenes of hatred towards Jews in Cairo, the Israeli Embassy in that Arab city is no more, sacked by the Fascists, the Egyptian army Leaders who betrayed Mubarak to the mob, unable to do a thing.


The attempt to demolish the wall came after an Egyptian Facebook group called activists to gather outside the Israeli delegation in Cairo and “urinate on the wall.”

Egyptian groups also called activists to spray graffiti slogans against Israel on the wall and erect a memorial for the soldiers killed during the attack in south Israel.

Egyptians demolishing wall outside embassy (Photo: Reuters)
Egyptians demolishing wall outside embassy (Photo: Reuters)

Eyewitnesses said policemen and soldiers stood by as the activists hammered away at the roughly 2.5 metres (8-foot) high wall.

Egyptian officials said the wall was intended to protect residents of the high-rise embassy building, not the Israeli mission.

Celebrating over the torn wall (Photo: Reuters)
Celebrating over the torn wall (Photo: Reuters)


So from 9.11 to today the Israeli Ambassador is out, forget gas, the Sinai which was supposed to be a buffer of sorts is now ultra-hostile territory, and that is just one source of the troubles faced by Jews and Israel.


Before looking at Egypt and Libya let us deal also with Turkey and with Iran


  1. Turkey is now turning into the equivalent 2011 style of the Germany of the 30s, they are the new Nazis as they roam the world stirring the pot of anti-Semitism, and Erdogan and his lies are the new Goebbels propaganda.
  2. The drive of the Iran jew Haters towards having the Nuclear Bomb is relentless

And that is the background to the 10th Anniversary for Jews and for the progressives of the world.


First post 9.11 Bush and the Neocons. Bush thought that they could bring their parliamentary type democracy to Iraq. In fact in the real world what they did do was to eliminate Saddam Hussein who was a secularist and they opened the door to Iranian influence in Iran. This was a great spur to Islam. Knowledgeable and fearful Jewish Israeli leaders like Sharon warned Bush AGAINST DOING JUST THAT.


The question is, did Bush realise what he was letting loose. He probably did not. But Bush is only one person and he is advised by thousands. They certainly did know pretty precisely what would be the outcome.


This means that the shadowy forces of reaction inside the halls and colleges of US Imperialism are indeed in an alliance with reactionary Islam.




The alliance with Iran against Saddam was not the first time.


It had happened in Indonesia where the CIA had been very active with Islam and which led to the horrific butchering of the Indonesian Communist Party cadre, many peasants in the countryside villages


It was prefigured in all the events of the breakup of Yugoslavia when the Nazi past of leaders like Izetbegovic was obscured by the media and where the Media had put in place a hate campaign against the Serbs, centred on Milosevic and the hoax of Srebrenica, which goes on to today.


This has all led to the “Arab Spring” which is in reality the Arab Nightmare for the Jews and for all progressives.


The responsibility for this falls directly on Belman/Spencer/Geller and a thousand others, many Jewish, who did not set out in their campaigns to call for the victory to Mubarak and for the victory to the organization of Muammar Gadhafi.


By far the worst in this respect was and is without a doubt Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch.


This faux anti Jihadist never missed a chance to shoot down Muammar Gadhafi (and his colleague on Jihadwatch Marisol).


Spencer and Geller have repeated the phrase “We told you so” with every new advance by the Jihad.


Not true! Not strictly true at all! In fact they did not tell their followers that they must call for the victory of Muammar Gadhafi and for the victory of Mubarak in Egypt as the only way to stop the Jihad and to stop the threat against Jews and Israel.


Who else would stop the Jihad?


Worse as far as Geller and Spencer were concerned. Mubarak and above all Gadhafi were in open struggle against the Jihadist Muslim Brotherhood and had been for decades.


In fact Gadhafi even had concluded an agreement with Bush through Blair that he Gadhafi would fight the Jihad, Al Qaeda, and Gadhafi hated the Muslim Brotherhood.


So why not call for the victory to Gadhafi in this recent war?


This is a call that Belman/Spencer/Geller and a thousand other so called friends of Jews never could, did or will make


The other thing that Libya has proved in the recent 4 months is that the capitalist governments in Europe, and the Obama Government, are clearly obviously on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood and even on the side of Al Qaida


This explains a lot. It explains also for example why the BBC refers to the savages who attacked Jews in Israel on the border with Sinai last week as being “militants”. It also explains why the BBC Reporter Barbara Plett wept as she reported on the funeral of the Jew Hater Arafat.


The Jews have a history of being tricked.


I believe that they are being tricked today by these kinds of leaders, like Belman/Spencer/Geller…there are a thousand others, it is just that I am familiar with these.


I repeat that the key issue since 9.11 has been the war on Muammar Gadhafi because that shows the unity between Islam and modern capitalism in crisis.


They sat on the fence while this war was going on.


I personally will never forgive them for sitting on the fence in that war.


It is remarkable to me that left blogs like Stephen Lendman was closer on Libya to a correct policy for the Jews than were these.


And that is extraordinary, an extraordinary thing to say, because Lendman is anti-Semitic in his politics. I cannot tell you how much we oppose Lendman over Israel.


But on the issue of victory to Gadhafi against NATO he was closer to what the Jews actually need.


It is a twist of history which is almost a mystery, except that I think there is an explanation.


What has happened is that the Arabs and Anti-Semites have sold a false history of the Middle East which centres on the fake “Palestinians”. This history is full of lies which have not been answered in a practical way.


But that will be the task of 4international. Join us. Help us.