I think that these Serb so/called leaders can do nothing but betray the historical struggle of the Serbs against Imperialism and against the Islamic Jihad

The more I look into them the more I come to this conclusion

Julia Gorin lives in a world of her own. Single issue politics to me are absolute nonsence, and that is a generous description. You cannot fight on a principled basis in today’s world and not cover the vital issues like the ICC attacks on the Gadhafi family, the NATO war on Gadhafi, the bombs dropped by Cameron’s Tornadoes etc etc.

Looking at the Serbianna blog I had to search very hard to find anything on this, never mind a defence of Gadhafi, and the most I got was from a blog by a Lee Jay Walker of April 17 carried by Serbianna

Talk about confusion! This guy is all over the place! Some things I agree with for the simple reason he says so many things and faces so many directions at once, but this sums up the confusion. Walker writes: 

It is difficult to see a democratic savior amongst the opposition to Gaddafi in Libya.  This in itself does not mean that Gaddafi must be left alone to kill and attack innocent citizens but once you take sides then the situation becomes even more chaotic.

But Walker you have taken sides just there. do you not understand yourself?

You are saying that Gadhafi is killing innocent civilians, which is precisely the lies of Cameron and Obama, of NATO and of ICC, and what’s all this guff about “democratic” anyways!

When I attacked Gorin before the Serbs bloggers closed ranks and attacked me.

But so bloody what!

There is only the one correct policy to have in relation to Muammar Gadhafi against the ICC and against NATO, not to mention against the Brit Imperialists, the French Imperialists, the lie machine which was and is also used fully against the Jews and Serbs


Understanding of course that this does not imply political agreement (we are Trotskyists) with the politics or programme of Gadhafi. That goes without saying if you have an inch of common sense.

That is what Gorin is doing. She is even now ignoring the ICC hounding of Gadhafi. It is both amazing and absurd.


I could not imagine Milosevic or Karadzic taking the position of Gorin!

These Serb ideologues are centrists and possibly in the case of Gorin anyway with her support for US Imperialism, even imperialists, so how could they fight to defend the valiant Serbs? No way Josey!

I quote the intro and points 1 and 5 of Trotsky from many years ago (how things have not changed!) in conflict with the British labourist traitors over the issue of defence of Abyssinia against  the Nazis

Only a hardened reactionary would not see the connection of that to Gorin saying that the planned murder of Gadhafi by Imperialism is not of interest (to her!!!)

It is with great astonishment that I read the report of the conference of the Independent Labour Party in the [London] New Leader of April 17, 1936. I really never entertained any illusions about the pacifist parliamentarians who run the ILP. But their political position and their whole conduct at the conference exceeds even those bounds that can usually be expected of them. I am sure that you and your friends have drawn approximately the same conclusions as we have here. Nevertheless I cannot refrain from making several observations.

1. Maxton [1] and the others opine that an Italo-Ethiopian war is conflict between two rival dictators. To these politicians it appears that this fact relieves the proletariat of the duty of making a choice between two dictators. They thus define the character of the war by the political form of the state, in the course of which they themselves regard this political form in a quite superficial and purely descriptive manner, without taking into consideration the social foundations of both “dictatorships”. A dictator can also play a very progressive role in history. For example: Oliver Cromwell, Robespierre, etc. On the other hand, right in the midst of the English democracy Lloyd George [2] exercised a highly reactionary dictatorship during the war. Should a dictator place himself at the head of the next uprising of the Indian people in order to smash the British yoke – would Maxton then refuse this dictator his support? Yes or no? If no, why does he refuse his support to the Ethiopian “dictator” who is attempting to ward off the Italian yoke?

and point 5

which deals importantly with Fenner Brockway, because that centrtist appeared to agree with Trotsky that Abyssinia should be defended against the Nazis, but then went on to see it as an incidental issue. Just as these present Serb traitors are doing…you see they are essentially all centrists!

5. Fenner Brockway’s [5] position on this question is a highly instructive example of the political and moral insufficiency of centrism. Fenner Brockway was lucky enough to adopt a correct point of view in an important question, a view that coincides with ours. The difference lies in this, however, that we Marxists really mean the thing seriously. To Fenner Brockway, on the contrary, it is a matter of something “incidental”. He believes it is better for the British workers to have Maxton as chairman with a false point of view than to have a correct point of view without Maxton. That is the fate of centrism – to consider the incidental serious and the serious thing incidental. That’s why centrism should never be taken seriously.

We Marxists really mean the thing seriously.


yes, that is it! Trotsky has put his finger on the very issue of today.

You see when we came out and defended the Serbs against Imperialism, when we insisted that the Srebrenica “massacre” was a piece of fakery, just as the slander of the Jews and Israel was a piece of fakery in the case of the Muhammed el Dura France 2 blood libel, we were dammed serious about our hatred for these lies of Imperialism.

Thus we now defend Gadhafi against these same lies.

That is the difference between us and them.

But will our enemies understand?


March 26 2011

This is from a Russian website. It does not name the source. However in the absence of knowing what they talk about in these secret CIA/MI5 meetings we also asserted from the very beginning that the forces of what we call the “Empire Sharia Alliance” would place their forces on the ground and would eventually murder Gadhafi:



Mar 26, 2011 10:23 Moscow Time

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The international coalition may launch a ground operation in Libya as early as in one month’s time, says a high-ranking source in the Russian Intelligence Service.

According to the source, NATO is drawing up plans to that end in an effort that involves the UK and the USA.

The operation may start unless airstrikes at the Muammar Gaddafi forces will fail to make him surrender.

It transpired a day earlier that the US started transferring more than 4,000 seamen and Marines to the Mediterranean to reinforce the coalition’s Operation Odyssey Dawn.


I have been attacked for publishing detail on Julia Gorin, why she wrote nothing on Libya.

Is that attack on me fair? I defend Julia Gorin and support her campaign to expose the lies against the Serbs. But I do not operate as part of a clique in any area of politics.

In one respect I may be unfair to Gorin. She may be ill and unable to write or something like that. In any case time will tell.

Note I and 4international will never operate as `part of a clique in any area of political life.

I have answered the attack made on me, I was accused of dumping on Julia, by stating that the Srebrenica Lie against the Serbs was carried out by precisely other cliques of people.

It is my opinion that the great killer of free speech in our period is silence.

It is far from being just orin. We have attacked the whole of the present Jewish leadership in the world on the issue of their position towards Gadhafi, which is really all about their position and political relationship towards the “Empire Sharia Alliance”, my term, and I stick with it because it sums up the essence.

What is happening in Libya?

What is happening in Syria?

To see what is happening consider this:


The attack on Gadhafi by the “Empire Sharia Alliance” can only be compared to Hitler and the Nazis, Czechoslovakia and beyond


The centre of the Arab opposition is laced by the Muslim Brotherhood, and by antisemitism as was the Nazis


It is all orchestrated by the Empire and goes hand in hand with the Empire Sharia Alliance continual campaign to delegitimize Israel and to make the Jews a hated people big time once more


These are the New nazis, those who are waging war on Gadhafi and on Libya

It is in essence an Alliance, where these modern state and international Nazis like Obama and Cameron, are in alliance with the Nazi ideology of Islam. (Note these are NOT Nazi states but they carry on a Nazi type policy abroad, and the two are connected…we move towards Fascism at home also, note that Obama went to war without bothering about Congress, the centre of American democratic life)

It is all laced with Antisemitism , Jew Hatred, which is why they will NEVER attack Iran, or Syria. Syria and Iran will be allowed carry on murdering oppositionists

But they will murder the essential anti-Islamist and tribalist Gadhafi in order to create an Islamist, fascist and Jew Hating state on the Med.

It is a firm alliance on a world scale between world capitalist governments in crisis, and the essential Nazi ideology and practice of Sharia Islam

They thus are a great menace to all Jews, these Jewish elite leaders who support and defend this Empire.

The position of all these blogs and leaders who we attack here has not really been explored.

In supporting this Empire they are supporting the New nazis. Why do Jewish people support this Empire? THAT is what has not been explained!

More on this later